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Re: Kids can bypass some age checks with a drawn-on mustache

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Post by codedokode »

throwaw3y wrote: post #100
codedokode wrote: post #99

I think, the best way to keep children from dangerous content is large fines for parents, for example, $4000 for every adult video their child was traumatized by due to their negligence. 50% of the fine is shared with the person who reported the violation (including site operators). After all being a parent is a responsibility. Such law would not cause inconvenience to normal Internet users without children, would pr…

Don't you think our society has already pushed too far in the direction of mandated helicopter parenting? You can hardly let your kids play independently nowadays in the US without getting a CPS check-up due to someone believing kids should be on leashes; what your proposing is significantly more draconian

Maybe, but why normal people without children need to experience inconvenience, Internet restrictions and verifications just because there are a minority of negligent parents? Children are parents responsibility. Instead of banning adult sites, is not it better to ban families with children from Internet? Make some family-friendly Internet and let them all go there and not bother normal people.

Re: Kids can bypass some age checks with a drawn-on mustache

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Post by palata »

Reading the comments here, I see a lot of criticism along the line of "age verification doesn't work, it's completely stupid".

I believe it is counter-productive, because "not having age verification" is a lost battle. Unlike E2EE (where it is impossible to give access "only to the good guys"), it is possible to implement age verification in a privacy-preserving manner. And look at the ChatControl fight: even though it is not possible, we are still struggling to convince politicians of it. Good luck with age verification where it is actually possible to do something.

It should be a public service: just like the government issues IDs already, it should run the privacy-preserving system that allows citizens to prove their age. We should fight for that, otherwise we will get non-privacy-preserving systems managed by private companies (which is already starting).

Re: Kids can bypass some age checks with a drawn-on mustache

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Post by teeray »

eszed wrote: post #2

Of course they do. Only fools expected anything else. Does else anyone remember the "age verification" on '80s video games? Some of them were hilarious. I think it was Leisure Suit Larry that asked multiple choice history questions that I guess were meant to be impossible for fifth graders to guess. I was the local history nerd, so I remember getting calls from classmates, like "we're trying to get into a game; when…

It’s hilarious when adults forget how smart a motivated group of children with an ocean of free time can be.

Re: Kids can bypass some age checks with a drawn-on mustache

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Post by bengale »

basisword wrote: post #96
fhennig wrote: post #74

I don't want to give my ID to every service I interact online. But I also don't think it's reasonable to ask of parents to ensure their children aren't accessing age restricted content online. What about liquor shops or strip clubs? They ask for ID, which makes sense; we're not expecting parents to make sure their children don't go into these places. But the liquor shop takes a look at the ID and then doesn't collect…

>> Being entirely against age verification is not a good stance I think I think the problem is that the internet has existed for quite a while without it. I'm sure there were similar complaints from people when you suddenly needed to pass a test to drive a car or when insurance became mandatory. >> There are systems that preserve privacy while still making it possible to verify you're old enough to use a service. Wha…

There are some funny videos of people in pubs in the UK discussing how bad the incoming drink drive rules were, it's a similar deal I think. No one likes being restricted from something they've been allowed to do.

Re: Kids can bypass some age checks with a drawn-on mustache

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Post by clutter55561 »

None of this prohibition works. Kids will find ways around it, authorities will get stricter, rinse and repeat. A total shitshow.

A lot of people mentioning off-license/booze/tobacco like that was a success story. It isn’t. Outside main/high streets, kids manage to buy stuff just fine. Success requires enforcement, constant vigilance and heavy penalties. Not applicable to Meta at al.

Social media is a drug. Just like crack, making it illegal won’t make it go away. Only education can change this. Unfortunately, we now have multiple generations hooked on it, so I’m not sure this is even possible anymore.

I blocked all social media on my daughter’s phone until she turned 17. I am/was a massive control freak. Guess what happened after that?

I still have control over her apps. I still won’t let install snapchat and every other crap app she asks for. She understands it is for her own good, but none of that matters when “all her friends use it.”

The first iPhone went on sale when she was born. Obama was elected when she was a baby. The world sucks right now.

Rant over.

Re: Kids can bypass some age checks with a drawn-on mustache

#107

Post by mjmas »

codedokode wrote: post #101
throwaw3y wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you think our society has already pushed too far in the direction of mandated helicopter parenting? You can hardly let your kids play independently nowadays in the US without getting a CPS check-up due to someone believing kids should be on leashes; what your proposing is significantly more draconian

Maybe, but why normal people without children need to experience inconvenience, Internet restrictions and verifications just because there are a minority of negligent parents? Children are parents responsibility. Instead of banning adult sites, is not it better to ban families with children from Internet? Make some family-friendly Internet and let them all go there and not bother normal people.

> let them all go there and not bother normal people.

The normal state does include people with children.

Re: Kids can bypass some age checks with a drawn-on mustache

#108

Post by orbital-decay »

codedokode wrote: post #101
throwaw3y wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you think our society has already pushed too far in the direction of mandated helicopter parenting? You can hardly let your kids play independently nowadays in the US without getting a CPS check-up due to someone believing kids should be on leashes; what your proposing is significantly more draconian

Maybe, but why normal people without children need to experience inconvenience, Internet restrictions and verifications just because there are a minority of negligent parents? Children are parents responsibility. Instead of banning adult sites, is not it better to ban families with children from Internet? Make some family-friendly Internet and let them all go there and not bother normal people.

I originally read your previous post as sarcasm (hard to tell on the web) but now I see you're describing an absolute hellhole without a hint of irony

Re: Kids can bypass some age checks with a drawn-on mustache

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Post by data-ottawa »

palata wrote: post #102

Reading the comments here, I see a lot of criticism along the line of "age verification doesn't work, it's completely stupid". I believe it is counter-productive, because "not having age verification" is a lost battle. Unlike E2EE (where it is impossible to give access "only to the good guys"), it is possible to implement age verification in a privacy-preserving manner. And look at the ChatControl fight: even though…

I'm writing my (Canadian) MP to this effect.

There are a lot of issues with the UK approach. Privacy is a big one. But requiring this on every service is both a tax on the service and requires constantly authorizing stuff. That opens up the possibility for scams, data misuse, etc.

And no, saying we said to only use the data for verification clearly doesn't work. It didn't work for discord, or Persona, or Tea or AU10TIX or any others. Verification now means sharing that data with credit agencies and third party databases. Verification means keeping some data to resolve customer support disputes. There's data leakage for training and creating derived data products like biometric embeddings for future use.

Third party verification is a security nightmare.

I don't know why device based approvals abd controls aren't considered at all. Or really any privacy preserving technique.

And all this for ~54% efficacy?

Re: Kids can bypass some age checks with a drawn-on mustache

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Post by general1465 »

Morromist wrote: post #20

The next age verification tech will involve checking tallness so we'll have kids standing on eachother's shoulders in a big trenchcoat to do the very adult act of installing linux.

I can already see angry post on reddit that some short king failed a verification test.
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