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'Point of no return': New Orleans relocation must start now due to sea level

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Post by alex43578 »

habinero wrote: post #60
alex43578 wrote: post #48

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Move with what money? And go where? If they have property, sell to who, exactly? "Instant" lol. Gently, you talk like someone who's never even been broke, let alone been poor.

A greyhound to Atlanta is $75. It’s not nothing to someone on a minimum wage/fixed income, but would be attainable within two months by saving about a dollar a day. Keep in mind, that’s the “extreme global poverty” standard for countries like South Sudan.

Sell to whomever - but again, what property do they have if they are so poor they can’t afford a $75 bus ticket with notice?

It’s always a Schrödinger’s poor person who simultaneously has a valuable property that’s also worthless, tied to a job but has 0 income, has a car but can’t travel, and is broke but can’t qualify for the plethora of government benefits they can receive anywhere.

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Post by habinero »

rayiner wrote: post #57
doug_durham wrote: post #42

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And how exactly will someone do that. Many of the people living in the impacted area are below the poverty line and living paycheck to paycheck at best. How are they supposed to put together funds to relocate. Especially if their property is worth nothing. The minority of people privileged enough to be able to relocate will do that. The majority are stuck.

The “majority” of people aren’t so poor they can’t move over the multi-decade timescale this article is talking about. This country has a huge level of internal migration. 17 million Americans move every year . Why do people have these blinders where they can’t view any issue except from the perspective of the minority of people who don’t have any resources? Why are so many people moving to places like Florida that a…

Because, friend, a lot of people believe climate change is a lib conspiracy theory.

And people bring it up because a lot of folks in New Orleans couldn't afford to flee Katrina and 700 people died. It was kind of an enormous humanitarian disaster. If we don't talk about it, nothing will happen to stop it.

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munificent wrote: post #56
alex43578 wrote: post #48

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> If you’re genuinely that poor, moving is cheap. Abandon the implied worthless property, catch a greyhound out of town. When you're genuinely poor, your local community is a critical survival tool that can't be discarded. You've spent your whole life building a set of relationships through mutual help. When your car dies and you can't afford to go to a mechanic, you have a friend of a friend who can fix cars who owe…

And by this article, staying in New Orleans is a great way to be poor, lose that network, and still end up homeless and literally underwater again.

Nobody is making them move, but moving out of New Orleans certainly seems like the better play, even if it carries risk.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

BowBun wrote: post #19
comrade1234 wrote: post #4

I would be surprised if the USA is even able to plan far enough ahead to put in a sea barrier/gates in time to protect New York City, similar to London. New Orleans? At least the old town is elevated.

Be surprised, I guess - https://www.nyc.gov/site/lmcr/progress/battery-coastal-resil... This project in NYC has been going on for a bit. The difference is LA has a GDP of about $340B+, while NY has a GDP of $2.3T+.

The Whitney museum has a whole system for putting up flood walls around the perimeter, plus the ground floor is just the gift shop.

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Post by squibonpig »

fsckboy wrote: post #24
madrox wrote: post #10

My roots are in Louisiana, and this makes me incredibly sad. It is such a unique place that has no like, and drives all tourism in the state. Where will tourists celebrate Mardi Gras after it's gone? Baton Rouge? Sadder, still, to know that nothing will be done. No one will be relocated. Just one day a weather event like a hurricane will happen to destroy the area and it will be labeled derelict with no funds to rebu…

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Either this is ragebait or you're arrogant. Congrats on being a super smart hard worker or whatever you're so proud of. More interested in shitting on people to feel superior than understanding where they're at.

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Post by [deleted] »

munificent wrote: post #65
comrade1234 wrote: post #4

I would be surprised if the USA is even able to plan far enough ahead to put in a sea barrier/gates in time to protect New York City, similar to London. New Orleans? At least the old town is elevated.

New York City will be fine. New Orleans is fucked. For local stuff like this, the US isn't a country, it's 50 countries in a trenchcoat, and Louisiana is very different from New York.

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kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #74
BowBun wrote: post #19

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Be surprised, I guess - https://www.nyc.gov/site/lmcr/progress/battery-coastal-resil... This project in NYC has been going on for a bit. The difference is LA has a GDP of about $340B+, while NY has a GDP of $2.3T+.

The Whitney museum has a whole system for putting up flood walls around the perimeter, plus the ground floor is just the gift shop.

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Post by nielsbot »

otterley wrote: post #38
crystal_revenge wrote: post #30

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> discussion of climate change illegal Well discussing it was de facto banned on HN for many years (still wouldn't be surprised if this post disappears soon). Any climate change post that was anything other than "everything is fine because of electric vehicles/solar/wind/etc", especially if it dare suggest that the situation was dire, would quickly get 'flagged' by the vocal minority (but still surprisingly large gro…

Discussing climate change has never been banned; this sort of claim is easily disproved by even the most cursory of searches in the box below. Try it. Here, I’ll say it right now: climate change is real, it has deleterious effects on our world, and we should take collective action to mitigate or even reverse it. Now, there’s an expectation that commenters conduct themselves appropriately and contribute to the overall…

> de facto banned

seems a little strong, but I understand why they say this

> climate change is real, it has deleterious effects on our world, and we should take collective action to mitigate or even reverse it.

plenty of comments on HN to this day will disagree, saying climate change is some anti-progress conspiracy or hasn't been studied enough or won't be that bad, etc etc.

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Post by roywiggins »

fsckboy wrote: post #27
2ndorderthought wrote: post #25

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Have you seen housing prices lately? It's insane for the average person especially if no one will be buying your home and you still have a mortagage

so, you're talking not about renters but about homeowners, and you're saying housing prices are up everywhere else except they are down in New Orleans? I'm not from NOLA so I'm not going to bone up on prices, but I do doubt what you are saying holds water.

They can just sell to Aquaman.
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