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> If so, why does it make sense that people can "generate" cash by proving some amount of work done? Because you need an incentive for 'miners' to participate in transaction processing. Main functionality is transactions which are not controlled by any single entity (like the government). Most of it is speculation unfortunately, which gives it a bad name, drowning out real usecases.
So now I'm wondering, why wouldn't they just charge a transaction fee in Monero? Why mine at all? If you want to scale up to Mastercard levels.
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Respectfully, I disagree that anyone has to make the case for it. That's exactly what freedom is: if society fails to "make the case" for prohibiting something, it defaults to legal. There's no general law requiring people to be good people, or to have common sense, which would be the same as defaulting to illegal. I presume you wouldn't like that, or the surveillance state that would be required to enforce it.
Complete individual freedom as a concept is not a human right. There has never been a society oriented on it and it is not self evident why it would be beneficial for society as a whole to allow an individual to do whatever they like. If you want the benefits of a society, you must reciprocate; otherwise you can go live in the woods by yourself.
Happy to continue discussing if you'd like to reply to what I wrote.
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#184I never quite understand this stuff, maybe someone can help. Are cryptocurrencies supposed to be a potential replacement for real life cash? This was my understanding of the motivation behind Bitcoin, at least. If so, why does it make sense that people can "generate" cash by proving some amount of work done? This of course cannot be done with normal cash. Is the main functionality of these cryptocurrencies supposed t…
One of the weird things about our world is that money is central to everything, but it’s hard to understand how it works. There’s a great deal of handwaving around how, for example, dollars are created, much of which is, in fact, not correct at all (most dollars are created not by the government, or even the Federal Reserve, but by private banks, via a mechanism which I will not pretend to fully understand). The big…
Fractional reserve banking. Basically, bankers start getting very anxious when they see the masses of people depositing mountains of cash into them. They look at the cash hoard they have suddenly amassed and think, we can't just leave this pile of cash here doing nothing, we have to efficiently allocate all of this capital. So they lend it out to people who need cash, charge interest and pay account holders their yields.
Deposit $100. Bank loans out $90, and $10 sits in its reserves. Your account still says $100, even though the bank is now leveraged against loans to third parties. Guy who took the $90 loan pays some bills, and that $90 ends up deposited right back into the same bank. So it keeps $9 and loans out $81. There is now $100 + $90 + $81 in circulation, but only that $100 is real money, the rest are all made up. They only become real when loans are repaid. So, the $81 gets spent, deposited back into the bank, and so on, and so forth, expanding the money supply like a fractal until the amounts become too infinitesimal to track. Thus $1,000 easily becomes $100,000 literally overnight. Government could run its presses 24/7 and it would not be able to outcompete the banks when it comes to inflating the money supply.
Banks are the financial call stacks of society. Better hope there aren't any exceptions (defaults), or the whole thing unwinds and comes crashing down.
It's like a society wide financial version of ISP oversubscription. The assumption is nobody is going to stress test the system by saturating the link 24/7. Everything breaks the second the invariants are violated. Banks similarly assume that not everybody will need all of their dollars immediately, which lets them "efficiently allocate" all of those dollars. Entire government systems exist just to bail out the banks where this assumption fails to be load bearing.
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This talking point is so silly I can use my compute and energy how I like, whether that’s for AI or crypto or a Minecraft server. You don’t have a right to call one “wasteful” and one not
Legalities aside, You can use compute how you want, that doesn't stop anybody from accurately measuring its usefulness. Given that this is an objective measurement. I can have a computer on an endless loop without any idling, consuming as much CPU time as it can, I do not know any other classification of this action than wastefulness. crypto mining is useful of course, the end goal of mining is to get crypto, of cour…
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#186I've since taken to running a non-public Monero node, which will become public when I can ensure my network security as it's being run from my home.
In saying that, there is a lot of concern around the new Carrot changes. To preface, I don't understand it enough to have an opinion either way, but a good chunk of the vocal user base seems to be worried that making “optional” view keys show both incoming and outgoing transactions will force the hand of the remaining exchanges, and be a condition of adoption of new exchanges to support Monero.
I haven't really seen a dumbed down explanation from the core Monero team as to exactly what the change looks like, and what the theoretical implications could be. It would be nice if Monero had more accessible PR for non-technical users to encourage adoption and squash FUD when it arises or at least acknowledge it from a top level in a blog post or something so that the already hyper-paranoid user base doesn't unnecessarily drive a mass anti-Monero campaign.
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#187Side question: what's the least scammy and complicated way to buy Monero these days?
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You'll get nothing but up votes here on HN, a lot are still angry they missed the boat. But solving the problem of how to transfer value trustlessly and anonymously, instantly anywhere in the world is one of the biggest breakthroughs since the Internet. Amazing how in a few short years kids started growing up with Bitcoin and don't understand how it work or why it exists :(
It’s an interesting technical problem to solve. But after 15y still has no meaningful benefits for our societies. Other than gambling/speculation/illegal stuff. The transformative cryptocurrency shift didn’t happen
Bitso processes 10% of US-MX remittances. 12% of people in Argentina use stablecoins. The shift is happening in real time.
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#190In terms of software that genuinely fascinates me Monero would have to be up there (along with Postgres, ZFS and OpenBSD). It's in my opinion one of the only (but probably the only) cryptos that has actually held true in terms of its principles of privacy (which was a perceived principle of crypto by users) and mass ability to mine and not be dominated by ASICs. I've since taken to running a non-public Monero node, w…
Crypto wasnt so much straight up privacy, but like high information / low revelation. The idea was to create an economic system where you the individual could have relative anonymity while being able to go online and audit the bank in detail. Not a criticism of you enjoying monero I just think this got lost somewhere.
I think Ethereum is probably going to strike the closest balance eventually, but it depends on a lot of factors.