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Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by cyanydeez »

stkdump wrote: post #109
AntonyGarand wrote: post #11

I disagree with the overall premise: Before the acquisition, Bun had to figure out how to monetize at some point. Now, even though their parent company does some shitty practices with their other software (claude code), it's a stretch to assume this will also translate into making Bun worse: Being worried makes sense but I remain optimistic about Bun. Especially given the context of both of these different context: C…

It's interesting how quickly people buy the "abuse" line of thinking. We understood (and knew for a long time) that the large AI labs are not monetarily profiting from subscription users that make heavy use of their subscription. That is independent of which agent/harness is used. The fair/real price for profitable use is the pay per use token pricing. These labs play the game of trying to kill competition in the har…

The thing is, the harness _is_ the model at the end of the day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by MoonWalk »

agosta wrote: post #102

Umm, just use Deno? Everything author seems to love about Bun exists in Deno.

Seriously. This baffling omission undermines the credibility of the whole thing.

"I want a serious Node.js alternative."

So you ignore the one developed by the same guy?

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by semiquaver »

AntonyGarand wrote: post #11

I disagree with the overall premise: Before the acquisition, Bun had to figure out how to monetize at some point. Now, even though their parent company does some shitty practices with their other software (claude code), it's a stretch to assume this will also translate into making Bun worse: Being worried makes sense but I remain optimistic about Bun. Especially given the context of both of these different context: C…

I disagree with the overall premise: Before the acquisition, GitHub had to figure out how to monetize at some point. Now, even though their parent company does some shitty practices with their other software (Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, MS Windows), it's a stretch to assume this will also translate into making GitHub worse: Being worried makes sense but I remain optimistic about GitHub.

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by jpsimons »

I just spent a couple hours migrating my knife sharpening website backend from Bun to Node. Feels good to avoid that lock-in. I was initially gung-ho for Bun but increasingly unsure about it. Things I'll miss for sure:

- Querying sqlite with tagged template literals

- Bun.password.verify being argon2 is a better default

- HTML imports

- JSX transpilation

- Auto loading .env file

https://burlyburr.com, which hits https://backend.burlyburr.com

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by stkdump »

zozbot234 wrote: post #166
stkdump wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting how quickly people buy the "abuse" line of thinking. We understood (and knew for a long time) that the large AI labs are not monetarily profiting from subscription users that make heavy use of their subscription. That is independent of which agent/harness is used. The fair/real price for profitable use is the pay per use token pricing. These labs play the game of trying to kill competition in the har…

> These labs play the game of trying to kill competition in the harness game Anthropic and Google are arguably playing that game. OpenAI's Codex CLI is open source and entirely optional for use of the GPT Codex models.

OpenAI just has more runway and has convinced its investors that it is as much about hardware (stargate) as it is about anything else. So they think they can/have to afford keeping the software side more open to not make themselves look stupid. Google is more of a down to earth company with other business to lose and isn't bought into it as much.

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by ethin »

zem wrote: post #121
ashdksnndck wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Basically the prime bet that they made (that one needs extremely expensive hardware to have useful AI) has already failed. I thought the prime bet was that the winning lab who reaches takeoff through recursive self improvement will make a galactic superintelligence. Not saying I believe this but the people running the labs do. Under this scenario if you are a few months behind at the pivotal time you might as well…

only if said galactic superintelligence takes immediate steps to kill all its potential competitors, or hoover up all the world's resources, or some other aggressively zero sum thing. otherwise I don't see what difference it makes down the line of you have the second superintelligence rather than the first. and that's under the assumption that you can create a superintelligence that will continue to slavishly serve y…

This is also assuming that AGI is even possible. So far there is no evidence that this is actually doable over anything but billions of years (and even then we have no idea how nature really managed it).

Edit: Meant to say AGI (superintelligence didn't make sense). Superintelligence is undefinable at the moment so even considering if it's possible or not is more of a philosophical thing/si-fi thought experiment than anything else.

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by AbuAssar »

jpsimons wrote: post #185

I just spent a couple hours migrating my knife sharpening website backend from Bun to Node. Feels good to avoid that lock-in. I was initially gung-ho for Bun but increasingly unsure about it. Things I'll miss for sure: - Querying sqlite with tagged template literals - Bun.password.verify being argon2 is a better default - HTML imports - JSX transpilation - Auto loading .env file https://burlyburr.com , which hits htt…

Node supports auto loading .env and also supports sqlite

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by mannanj »

stkdump wrote: post #109
AntonyGarand wrote: post #11

I disagree with the overall premise: Before the acquisition, Bun had to figure out how to monetize at some point. Now, even though their parent company does some shitty practices with their other software (claude code), it's a stretch to assume this will also translate into making Bun worse: Being worried makes sense but I remain optimistic about Bun. Especially given the context of both of these different context: C…

It's interesting how quickly people buy the "abuse" line of thinking. We understood (and knew for a long time) that the large AI labs are not monetarily profiting from subscription users that make heavy use of their subscription. That is independent of which agent/harness is used. The fair/real price for profitable use is the pay per use token pricing. These labs play the game of trying to kill competition in the har…

What about the data they are accumulating, for non-training purposes? That data isn't of negligible value; the "subscription cost" is really a "harvesting data" opportunity. Don't be naive to that our data is not incredibly valuable.
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