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Stop big tech from making users behave in ways they don't want to

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Re: Stop big tech from making users behave in ways they don't want to

#101

While I agree with the premise, I do wonder how you can write a law that would stop the behavior we want to stop without hurting beneficial features or allowing the law to be too easily bypassed. How do you describe in a legal way the difference between a useful feature people want and an addictive feature they don’t want?

One way is intent. If a company's internal communications show that they're intentionally making it addictive, or worse they know it causes harm, you have the smoking gun. This of course doesn't catch all the abuse, but at least it makes it much harder to do this down an entire reporting chain. They have to get really good at winking. One famous case was Apple suing Samsung over patents. Hard to prove until internal…

Companies are onto this, though, and do training with their staff about how to phrase things in emails to make it look better.

Re: Stop big tech from making users behave in ways they don't want to

#102
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All is not lost though is it? We can invest our efforts into local models and frontier competitors. I'm not blind, I have Claude pro (not max) and Cursor subscription. But I'm really hesitant to go balls to the wall on the most powerful models because it isn't sustainable; I don't want it to be. So how much can I get from the older models, the smaller, cheaper ones that will hopefully inevitably be commoditized. I th…

Why not?

The most concise answer as of now is because AI has no "will".

LLMs are objectively smarter than any one person so in some definition we've already created super-intelligence. The problem is they just sit there. They have all the answers already, if you think about it. Whenever we ask it something it gives us the answer, it's amazing, we can even say it can synthesize new information. We can agree with all the claims.

But what does it do with that super-intelligence? Nothing. It can't. it doesn't have will. Or interest. Curiosity? Biological imperative. Who knows.

So we create loops and introspection and set them free. Does giving AI a goal make the AI conscious? That's easily silly if you ask me.

(I'm trying really hard not to make this philosophy. I really like the philosophy aspect, but this is my 30 second answer to the question)

Re: Stop big tech from making users behave in ways they don't want to

#103

Sure, making instagram as addictive as possible seems bad but I disagree with the framing a bit. Dark patterns get users to do things they don't want, that's why they get super annoyed at the design or the process or the outcome. Addictive apps are a different thing to me. I don't think it's that compelling to say "obviously no one wants to be on Instagram and they're getting manipulated into it." ...yeah they do! Th…

This reminds me of the TikTok ban that lasted all of twelve seconds. I’ve been using the internet for longer than I care to admit, and I’ve never seen anything like it. It was like 300 million junkies all lost their drug supplier at the same time.

> It was like 300 million junkies all lost their drug supplier at the same time.

No, it was not. It was actually nothing like that.

No babies were left to die because their parents were out searching for tiktok clips. I saw no people whoring themselves on the street just to see a few tiktok clips. I heard no stories of children stealing from their own family to get a few scrolls of tiktok. There was no people killing each other just to get a hit of tiktok.

Let's not trivialize something like drug addiction by comparing it to kids procrastinating by watching their TV phone app.

Re: Stop big tech from making users behave in ways they don't want to

#104

While I agree with the premise, I do wonder how you can write a law that would stop the behavior we want to stop without hurting beneficial features or allowing the law to be too easily bypassed. How do you describe in a legal way the difference between a useful feature people want and an addictive feature they don’t want?

Very simple - force companies into data interoperability. That will allow users to move to competition without any data loss. I.e. nobody actually cares that GitHub is constantly down because you can move your repos to a different git provider or to your own server.

> I.e. nobody actually cares that GitHub is constantly down because you can move your repos to a different git provider or to your own server.

I honestly can't tell if this is serious or satire, so apologies if missed the joke.

Pushing a git repo to a new server is built into git itself.

Github project data is easy to export: https://docs.github.com/en/issues/planning-and-tracking-with...

There are import tools for many competing projects that will transfer it over in various ways.

Re: Stop big tech from making users behave in ways they don't want to

#105

The Irony is that in order to read this entry I had to pass a cookie wall, which gave me only ‘Accept all’ and ‘Manage’. Then I couldn’t read it, because I had no subscription.

the author has no control over that

The publication did not force the author to publish their works on their site.

The author made a choice to publish there. They want the paywall, because that's how they get paid for this writing.

Re: Stop big tech from making users behave in ways they don't want to

#106
There are two separate issues: addictive technologies, and mandated technologies. Instagram and TikTok are examples of the first. Google Play Store and Microsoft 360 are examples of the second. The second is more of a concern than the first.

Google Chrome is trying hard to become a mandated technology, but hasn't quite succeeded yet.

Re: Stop big tech from making users behave in ways they don't want to

#107
> SOMEWHERE IN META’S servers sat a slide deck marked “Confidential”. Written in 2019, its conclusion was blunt: “Teens can’t switch off from Instagram even if they want to.”

Found this document:

https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2026/04/29/stop-big-...

Headlines (quote):

Instagram is an inevitable and unavoidable component of teens lives. Teens can’t switch off from Instagram even if they want to.

Instagram has become the ID card of this generation. It is the go-to tool for both measuring and gathering social prestige.

Instagram sets the standards not only for how teens should look and act but also for how they should think and feel.

Teens feel themselves to be at the forefront of new social behaviours to which there is no consensus on how to behave or cope. They sorely lack empathetic voices to whom they can turn for support.

Teens talk of Instagram in terms of an ‘addicts narrative’ spending too much time indulging in a compulsive behaviour that they know is negative but feel powerless to resist.

The pressure to ‘be present and perfect’ is a defining characteristic of the anxiety teens face around Instagram. This restricts both their ability to be emotionally honest and also to create space for themselves to switch off.

Anxiety around what to post and the potential cost involved in posting the wrong thing means teens are switching from proactive to passive engagement with the platform.

Re: Stop big tech from making users behave in ways they don't want to

#109

It takes five minutes to delete your TikTok, Meta, and Instagram accounts. Setting up forwarding rules from Gmail to Fastmail or another provider takes maybe a little longer, after three months hopefully all your emails are going to the new account after changing them. These companies can’t manipulate you if you don’t use their products. Edit: I know what network effects are, I was talking about steps individual user…

"just delete your account" assumes the exit was designed to work. this is the company that called its own prime cancellation flow "the iliad."

Re: Stop big tech from making users behave in ways they don't want to

#110
post #35

...but but but Innovation !

Can we not do this type of mocking comment here please? > But but but > Shhh! will hear you! > It's almost as if . > Tell me you without telling me you .

I'm sorry. Yeah, agreed that this was too much. I was angry because I have seen quite often pushback against regulation that tries to elevate "innovation" as a value in itself, that even trumps other considerations such as safety or whether the innovation in question actually improves things meaningfully. What Meta did felt to me like the ultimate outcome of that thinking.
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