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Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by n_e »

ifwinterco wrote: post #95
hootz wrote: post #91

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That is type stripping and is incompatible with syntax that requires transpilation, so it is not native TypeScript support.

Isn't that mostly just enums? Is there anything else that doesn't run as valid JS if you strip the types (and maybe some other extra keywords)out? Genuine question, in my head there's not much, but TS has a few weird corners I maybe haven't used

enums and decorators mainly. There are also subtleties such as having the ts file extension in imports. Also imports aren't transpiled in cjs so you need to need es modules.

I'm using it in my projects with no issues.

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by stkdump »

ashdksnndck wrote: post #114
stkdump wrote: post #109

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It's interesting how quickly people buy the "abuse" line of thinking. We understood (and knew for a long time) that the large AI labs are not monetarily profiting from subscription users that make heavy use of their subscription. That is independent of which agent/harness is used. The fair/real price for profitable use is the pay per use token pricing. These labs play the game of trying to kill competition in the har…

> Basically the prime bet that they made (that one needs extremely expensive hardware to have useful AI) has already failed. I thought the prime bet was that the winning lab who reaches takeoff through recursive self improvement will make a galactic superintelligence. Not saying I believe this but the people running the labs do. Under this scenario if you are a few months behind at the pivotal time you might as well…

I don't think this race to superintelligence idea should be taken too seriously. It is great for headlines and get peoples imaginations up. It is mostly a marketing gag.

I look at superintelligence this way: software engineering used to be considered amoung the most mentally demanding jobs one can have. And in this field more and more people give up large parts of their job and become approximately product managers to let the machine do the engineering part. So we are about there. Who cares that there are some puzzles in some "synthetic" benchmark in which humans outsmart AIs?

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by dgellow »

herpdyderp wrote: post #97
dgellow wrote: post #68

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I would mention deno as the main competitor

Personally I much prefer Deno as it's also doing a lot more work to unify the backend and frontend JS APIs.

Yes, same for me. I was skeptical at first but things have really improved over the past 2 years

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by hungryhobbit »

dgellow wrote: post #68
iceboundrock wrote: post #41

Regardless of Anthropic/ClaudeCode, PerryTS[1] looks like a very promising competitor to Bun. [1]: https://github.com/PerryTS/perry

I would mention deno as the main competitor

I would too ... but not as the winning competitor.

For their first year two of existence, bun tried to do npm, but better. For the first year or two of their existence, Deno tried to reinvent npm.

The key result is that after that first year or two Deno had to walk back their decisions, to create a Node-ecosystem-compatible tool .. and as a result, they're now significantly behind bun (at least by all metrics I've seen).

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by Philpax »

ahepp wrote: post #124
ashdksnndck wrote: post #114

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> Basically the prime bet that they made (that one needs extremely expensive hardware to have useful AI) has already failed. I thought the prime bet was that the winning lab who reaches takeoff through recursive self improvement will make a galactic superintelligence. Not saying I believe this but the people running the labs do. Under this scenario if you are a few months behind at the pivotal time you might as well…

One thing I don’t understand about this viewpoint (which I understand isn’t your own): why does one benefit so tremendously from getting there a month before competitors? I’m sure having a month of superintelligence with no competition would be lucrative, but do they think achieving superintelligence first will impede competitors from also achieving it a month later?

A month with a superintelligence at your hands could be quite impactful, especially if you're willing to break the law / normal operating decorum in the pursuit of protecting what you have. A superintelligence, if wielded so, could destroy your competitors in a great many ways, including the relatively-benign solution of outcompeting them, to exploiting them and tearing them apart from the inside.

A genuine superintelligence is a very, very scary thing to have under the control of one person or organisation.

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

veber-alex wrote: post #104
nikcub wrote: post #101

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the AI replies itt are cringe

Seriously. It's one thing to use AI to write code but spamming machine generated garbage when talking to another person is just rude.

I see the thread and the patience of the other guy to continue talking to the AI, it's impressive

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by fnoef »

fhn wrote: post #51

I wonder why Anthropic chose to spend money on Bun when they could have easily spend that resource on Go which is fairly easy to use and fast. I'm sure their SWEs could easily everything things in Go. Anyone have insight on why?

I’m wondering why Anthropic, who has “the most powerful, hold me bro, AI in the world” just didn’t vibe code their own, better, version of bun? haven’t Dario said that coding is cooked in 6 month, like 12 months ago?

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by Cpoll »

ahepp wrote: post #124
ashdksnndck wrote: post #114

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> Basically the prime bet that they made (that one needs extremely expensive hardware to have useful AI) has already failed. I thought the prime bet was that the winning lab who reaches takeoff through recursive self improvement will make a galactic superintelligence. Not saying I believe this but the people running the labs do. Under this scenario if you are a few months behind at the pivotal time you might as well…

One thing I don’t understand about this viewpoint (which I understand isn’t your own): why does one benefit so tremendously from getting there a month before competitors? I’m sure having a month of superintelligence with no competition would be lucrative, but do they think achieving superintelligence first will impede competitors from also achieving it a month later?

A week of superintelligence should be enough to take over the world, or at least sabotage your competitors. And even if someone else gets there a week later, they'll be permanently one week behind the curve (until the AI hits some physical limit, I suppose).

But that's all just sci-fi worldbuilding.

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by afavour »

dgellow wrote: post #68
iceboundrock wrote: post #41

Regardless of Anthropic/ClaudeCode, PerryTS[1] looks like a very promising competitor to Bun. [1]: https://github.com/PerryTS/perry

I would mention deno as the main competitor

I would mention Node as the main competitor. It isn't moving as vast as the VC-backed ecosystems are but its future is a lot more assured.

Re: I am worried about Bun

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Post by hungryhobbit »

JamesSwift wrote: post #100
wombat-man wrote: post #83

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I'm still getting pretty good code out of it, but I only use it on side projects. Is the issue with their odd limit system?

Im on pay-per-use plans so its not the limits thats the issue directly, although the product development process could lead to them trying to fix limit issue and breaking the product as a whole. The main issue is side effects of effort/thinking it seems. It hallucinates at a much higher rate and skips research in a ton of edge cases even with effort of MAX and disabling adaptive thinking, even on 4.6. Ive said before…

Claude has definitely gotten stupider (even on the latest Opus).

I used to be able to give it certain commands, and reliably count on it to do the right thing. Lately I give it identical commands and it just starts doing something idiotic, instead of the correct thing (that it did 50 times prior).

To an earlier poster's point, it's probably the model, not the harness, and I understand Anthropic has to make money someday (and they're not now) ... but I'd rather see a visible doubling of price than a secret halving of the capabilities (which seems to be their current plan).

That approach is enshitification.

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