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1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Post by volkl48 »

loeg wrote: post #24

> It’s likely the first non-Tesla vehicle to run FSD, and it achieves 258 Wh/mi — roughly matching the efficiency of an actual Model 3. This claim is implausible, right? The Mustang is unambiguously less aerodynamic than the Model 3; there's no way it is achieving similar efficiency, especially at highway speeds.

The Mustang is from before modern safety laws (and feature expectations) and therefore weighed a lot less than your average modern car.

A stock '66 Mustang hardtop had a curb weight below 3000lb, in the lightest configuration close to 2500lb.

Less mass to move will do a lot for efficiency just like aerodynamics will.

Of course, you will also die or be horrifically maimed in an accident in a 1966 Mustang that you might walk away without any serious injuries from in a modern vehicle.

Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Post by saratogacx »

hnav wrote: post #36
saratogacx wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't take on projects like this because you're on a mission to make the most efficient vehicle. Lots of people are paid good money to do that and produce the slip-slugs we have today. A project like this is to have a fun experience in a vehicle that was never designed to drive with electric qualities. I don't need the most efficient vehicle for my use so I could afford to trade some of that for fun. I'd probably…

90% of the STi's charm is the drivetrain. How would a hacked up STi differ from a model 3?

Mainly size and driving position. The charm of the AWD and live adjustments would need to be kept around but even without the ol turbo you'll still have a small, nimble, darty car to toss around. Something would be lost in the conversion but balancing turbo lag isn't the entire car. The Model 3 is long, wide, with a big wheelbase compared to, especially the older, STi's.

Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Post by hnav »

saratogacx wrote: post #52
hnav wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

90% of the STi's charm is the drivetrain. How would a hacked up STi differ from a model 3?

Mainly size and driving position. The charm of the AWD and live adjustments would need to be kept around but even without the ol turbo you'll still have a small, nimble, darty car to toss around. Something would be lost in the conversion but balancing turbo lag isn't the entire car. The Model 3 is long, wide, with a big wheelbase compared to, especially the older, STi's.

I wouldn't call STIs darty. They're nose heavy and need heavy coaxing with the left foot to rotate. The big wheelbase in the Model 3 is a fair point though. Apparently there are TC/DSC defeat devices and mechanical LSDs available for them now, so I'd expect Model 3s to be rallied more and more as they age out.

Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Post by t1234s »

rootusrootus wrote: post #22
t1234s wrote: post #15

I wonder if tesla will see this and try to invalidate the VIN from using FSD

That would be a pretty shortsighted move from a PR standpoint. Nobody is going to blame a restomod FSD wreck on Tesla. But turning off FSD remotely just reminds everyone that Tesla can and will take control of your car.

Don't they already block using their supercharger network for rebuilt titles?

Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Post by yieldcrv »

SoftTalker wrote: post #47

It would be cool if we saw the separation of drivetrain from body in the automobile market. This happens with heavy trucks, you can buy a "glider" which is a completely new, finished rolling chassis and you provide your own engine. Originally done (I think) to skirt emissions laws but it would be cool to be able to buy the body and the EV drivetrain (and maybe battery packs?) from different vendors, and for EV drivet…

that's what Waymo is doing, in their implementation of this idea the "waymo driver" is software intended to be licensed out to vehicles or vehicle chassis with applicable hardware

so if you thought the waymo car rollout was fast and sudden, wait until companies no longer need their own training data, it'll be like a switch got flipped

Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Post by Cockbrand »

SoftTalker wrote: post #47

It would be cool if we saw the separation of drivetrain from body in the automobile market. This happens with heavy trucks, you can buy a "glider" which is a completely new, finished rolling chassis and you provide your own engine. Originally done (I think) to skirt emissions laws but it would be cool to be able to buy the body and the EV drivetrain (and maybe battery packs?) from different vendors, and for EV drivet…

This was very common in the early days of the automobile, at least for luxury cars. Bentley or Rolls-Royce would deliver a chassis with the entire drivetrain, and a coachbuilder like Mulliner would add a body to the customer's liking.

Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Post by jerlam »

yieldcrv wrote: post #55
SoftTalker wrote: post #47

It would be cool if we saw the separation of drivetrain from body in the automobile market. This happens with heavy trucks, you can buy a "glider" which is a completely new, finished rolling chassis and you provide your own engine. Originally done (I think) to skirt emissions laws but it would be cool to be able to buy the body and the EV drivetrain (and maybe battery packs?) from different vendors, and for EV drivet…

that's what Waymo is doing, in their implementation of this idea the "waymo driver" is software intended to be licensed out to vehicles or vehicle chassis with applicable hardware so if you thought the waymo car rollout was fast and sudden, wait until companies no longer need their own training data, it'll be like a switch got flipped

Tesla has also offered their FSD to other companies, with no takers: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-fsd-licensin...

However, Tesla hasn't achieved anywhere near the autonomy of Waymo, so that may be the main sticking point.

Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Post by dylan604 »

RankingMember wrote: post #41
sottol wrote: post #27

I really like the look of the car, but from the title it sounds like a Mustang has been converted into an FSD Tesla ("teslafied" Mustang) - but Tesla suspension, Tesla interior... this smells like a Mustang body fitted onto a Tesla chassis ("mustangified" Tesla). I suspect that this might be more of a "Mustang body kit" on a Tesla chassis and not retrofitting the Tesla tech into a Mustang chassis + body. Still cool,…

Yep, that's exactly what it is. Still a cool project. For a split-second after reading the headline my brain thought they had gotten the Tesla software (with a lot of hackery) to control an ICE vehicle drive-train.

For a split-second after reading the headline, I thought they were claiming FSD works.

Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Post by matthewfcarlson »

ryan42 wrote: post #17

Here's one of a fully custom Toyota 4x4 truck getting a Tesla Model 3 motor that I enjoyed. I would love to have a small electric pickup like this, but I don't want to invest $100k to get it done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siEhd4Z-6Ts

I check multiple times a year for a small electric truck. Plenty announced but none you can actually buy year after year

Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Post by tencentshill »

hnav wrote: post #25

Retro-electric stuff makes so little sense since it's the worst of all worlds. Part of why Teslas get decent range is the slippery body. I wince every time I see people clamoring for the VW Scout reboot. Rivian too with their 140kwh batteries just to give people that nostalgic body-on-frame SUV look with usable range.

EVs are still far more efficient than any combustion engine per unite of energy. It doesn't have the density of gasoline, but you're paying a lot less per mile driven no matter how boxy it is.
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