Controversial I know, but EU regulations are largely reasonable and mostly come down to good practices. For example I was part of a team building a crewing application for container ships and largely I agree with almost all of the conclusions we came to in making the app GDPR compliant.
Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027
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Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027
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And you can't follow a guide either? All you have to do is clip a 9v battery on. Do you also consider yourself incapable of jump starting a car because you might have to look up instructions first?
It is probably a good idea to review some instructions before jump starting a car because even though it is simple, if you do it wrong (connect the battery terminal last) you can blow up your battery from the ignition of hydrogen gas.
Agreed. But having to reference instructions is very different from being incapable of something, which was my point.
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If Apple could make money from removable batteries, meaning there was a market for it and people wanted it over some other alternative, are you suggesting they are not smart enough to do the research and work necessary to accomplish that? The reality is people don't want it, at all. At least not enough to warrant action. So the story ends there. Also, the lighting connector is better than USB in every way. Mandating…
False dichotomy. The question isn't whether you can make money with a replaceable battery, but whether you can make more money by selling specialized service (or an entirely new phone) than a battery. What else are people going to do, not buy a phone? Switch operating systems entirely? This whole thing becomes more obvious in the Android world, where models with various features do exist, but only in certain markets…
People can, and do, switch OSes. Or use a flip phone.
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#404Right to repair for the win.
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#405Regulatory Superpower
I am european and proud.. but what has europe created in the last 20 years worth of mention
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#406As others have mentioned this is for phones with batteries that can’t survive a reasonable number of cycles. That’s a reasonable exemption, in my opinion. I don’t want to pay the extra penalties of reduced structural rigidity and water tightness for a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. I do wish one manufacturer would make a flagship phone with replaceable battery so all of the uncompromising…
> I don’t want to pay the extra penalties of reduced structural rigidity and water tightness for a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. What are you doing to your phone that needs all that? Using it as a hammer? Temporary support while building a tunnel?
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I actually never did. I think you're only supposed to replace it on those scuba-style watches with screw-on casebacks that shred the gasket when fully tightened to ensure a tight seal. But on those watches with 4 screws on the case, the gasket seemed fine to me to keep reusing.
Worse than I thought: https://support.casio.com/en/support/answer.php?cid=00900101... "• To maintain water resistance, have the gaskets of your watch replaced periodically (about once every two or three years)."
It seems like the same can be true for the glue used on the iPhone.
> Splash, water, and dust resistance are not permanent conditions and resistance might decrease as a result of normal wear. Liquid damage is not covered under warranty, but you might have rights under consumer law.[0]
If a gasket has a predictable life, there could be a warning after that period that the water resistance may be compromised and to replace the gasket if this is a concern for how the user use's the phone. With glue, it seems less certain and Apple goes so far as to say even dropping your phone can compromise the seal enough to risk liquid damage.
Meanwhile, a G-Shock was designed to have a battery life of 10 years, have a water resistance of 10 bar, and survive a fall of 10 meters. Dropping the watch doesn't nullify the water resistance claims, the goal was to be able to do all of those things at once.
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#408This should be for the market to decide, not EU bureaucrats. If I want a thicker, clunkier, less waterproof phone with a user-replaceable battery, I can already buy a Fairphone or a Samsung Galaxy XCover6 Pro, or whatever. The reason people buy iPhones and flagship Samsung phones is they want the benefits that come from a design that doesn't have to make sacrifices to accomodate a user-replaceable battery.
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#409...and Apple will be exempt due to a loophole in the law (80% after 1k cycles) making the law utterly pointless.
Are you sure the loophole exists? AFAIK, this is the regulation: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1542/oj/eng I don't see that exemption listed. The other ones are, but not that one.
Take this with a mountain of salt since I've not at all an expert, but with a little help from AI, it seems like the exemption lives in 2023/1670 [0]. The LLM claims that this and the regulation you link are interconnected, with the recital of 2023/1542 explicitly linking them.
0: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
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#410In principle, this is the kind of right sentiment but for the wrong things. I can't remember a phone that died because of the battery since the era of Ni-Cd cells in early cell phones. I don't think I've never discarded a phone with a li-ion battery because of the battery. It's always physical breakage or getting too slow to be usable, because of age. Sure, I don't spend a cycle per day. Not even every other day. Tha…
I’ve definitely replaced iphones because the battery wasn’t holding a charge. My understanding is that this is a pretty common issue, no?