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Agentic Coding Is a Trap

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Re: Agentic Coding Is a Trap

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Post by munksbeer »

byzantinegene wrote: post #116
fnordpiglet wrote: post #51

Interestingly I’ve learned more about languages and systems and tools I use in the last few years working with agentic coding than I did in 35 years of artisanal programming. I am still vastly superior at making decisions about systems and techniques and approaches than the agentic tools, but they are like a really really well read intern who knows a great deal of detail about errata but have very little experience.…

you have 35 years of experience and have already built up the learning capability and general framework to acquire new knowledge. you know how to use agentic coding as a tool to supplement your work. the juniors who start today don't have that, they overrely on agentic coding and do not know what they don't know

Juniors will figure out how to make things work just as well as we did. They may end up with a different set of skills, but competitive advantage is still a thing, and so competition will mean they end up with the best skills suited for the environment.

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Post by threethirtytwo »

rimliu wrote: post #253
threethirtytwo wrote: post #146

I think AI will evolve to the point where it produces working, bug free code. But that code won't necessarily be that readable, clean or modular. In the future the complexity or how "bad" the code is won't matter because the LLM will deal with the complexity and clean up the messes automatically. Your code wasn't modular enough to account for a certain new feature? Well the LLM will simply make it modular enough. Is…

Indeed, the AI coding is most likely to go the way of self-driving: always around the corner.

Self driving is not around the corner. I sit in the back seat of an AI driven car on a daily basis. There is no living being sitting on the front seat and that car goes on the freeway. This is a regular and very common thing where I live:

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Post by bhagyeshsp »

lelanthran wrote: post #288
sterlind wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

accelerated what learning? learning to code? learning to engineer? learning to manage? learning to market?

>> Comes in GPT-3.5, accelerated my learning. Now I'm running my incorporated company, just launched one software-hardware hybrid product. Second one is a micro-SaaS in closed beta. > accelerated what learning? learning to code? learning to engineer? learning to manage? learning to market? I'm pretty certain that you think you're talking to an owner of a business but you're actually talking to an AI-techbro whose "so…

Haha..so many assumptions. And all of them being objectively wrong.

Cope harder. Try harder to demoralize. It is not going to work.

I had heard HackerNews had some of this loser bunch of personalities. I didn't expect them to show themselves so soon.

But hey, I realized "AI bashing" articles are the best places to find these gate-keepers. Makes sense now.

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Post by bhagyeshsp »

lelanthran wrote: post #289
bhagyeshsp wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self-taught, "junior" here. Due to English-language limitation my most adult life, I struggled to code. Used visual coding etc. But of course, I can't make a living on drag-and-drop harness. Comes in GPT-3.5, accelerated my learning. Now I'm running my incorporated company, just launched one software-hardware hybrid product. Second one is a micro-SaaS in closed beta. The point is: when people use "juniors" as a fixed…

> I struggled to code > ... > Comes in GPT-3.5, accelerated my learning. So now you can code? If I sat you in front of a computer with no internet and no GPU but your choice of IDE, you would actually be able to produce a product?

Attention Please Everyone

You're looking at a specimen of one of the most rattled species nowadays. It is so fun finding them under these articles.

Their last attempts at finding inner-validation.

What a waste.

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Post by lelanthran »

bhagyeshsp wrote: post #294
lelanthran wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I struggled to code > ... > Comes in GPT-3.5, accelerated my learning. So now you can code? If I sat you in front of a computer with no internet and no GPU but your choice of IDE, you would actually be able to produce a product?

Attention Please Everyone You're looking at a specimen of one of the most rattled species nowadays. It is so fun finding them under these articles. Their last attempts at finding inner-validation. What a waste.

You claimed that you learned to program.

Was that claim not true?

Re: Agentic Coding Is a Trap

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Post by lelanthran »

bhagyeshsp wrote: post #293
lelanthran wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Comes in GPT-3.5, accelerated my learning. Now I'm running my incorporated company, just launched one software-hardware hybrid product. Second one is a micro-SaaS in closed beta. > accelerated what learning? learning to code? learning to engineer? learning to manage? learning to market? I'm pretty certain that you think you're talking to an owner of a business but you're actually talking to an AI-techbro whose "so…

Haha..so many assumptions. And all of them being objectively wrong. Cope harder. Try harder to demoralize. It is not going to work. I had heard HackerNews had some of this loser bunch of personalities. I didn't expect them to show themselves so soon. But hey, I realized "AI bashing" articles are the best places to find these gate-keepers. Makes sense now.

No, look. You claimed things that I am skeptical about.

Vibing a product into existence without needing any development knowledge or experience just means you now have a "product" that can't really be sold for money.

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Post by bhagyeshsp »

lelanthran wrote: post #295
bhagyeshsp wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attention Please Everyone You're looking at a specimen of one of the most rattled species nowadays. It is so fun finding them under these articles. Their last attempts at finding inner-validation. What a waste.

You claimed that you learned to program. Was that claim not true?

Now you want to have a "discourse"? No thanks.

Honestly, I want you to live with your assumptions and beliefs. No more goodwill from my side to your username.

Re: Agentic Coding Is a Trap

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Post by bhagyeshsp »

lelanthran wrote: post #296
bhagyeshsp wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha..so many assumptions. And all of them being objectively wrong. Cope harder. Try harder to demoralize. It is not going to work. I had heard HackerNews had some of this loser bunch of personalities. I didn't expect them to show themselves so soon. But hey, I realized "AI bashing" articles are the best places to find these gate-keepers. Makes sense now.

No, look. You claimed things that I am skeptical about. Vibing a product into existence without needing any development knowledge or experience just means you now have a "product" that can't really be sold for money.

Repeating what I said on the previous comment:

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Now you want to have a "discourse"? No thanks.

Honestly, I want you to live with your assumptions and beliefs. No more goodwill from my side to your username.

Re: Agentic Coding Is a Trap

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Post by lelanthran »

bhagyeshsp wrote: post #297
lelanthran wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You claimed that you learned to program. Was that claim not true?

Now you want to have a "discourse"? No thanks. Honestly, I want you to live with your assumptions and beliefs. No more goodwill from my side to your username.

> Now you want to have a "discourse"? No thanks.

No discourse - you made a claim, but it appears now that your claim is untrue.

It's faster for you to answer the question than to dodge it: Have you actually learned what you claimed you did?

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Post by lelanthran »

bhagyeshsp wrote: post #298
lelanthran wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, look. You claimed things that I am skeptical about. Vibing a product into existence without needing any development knowledge or experience just means you now have a "product" that can't really be sold for money.

Repeating what I said on the previous comment: --- Now you want to have a "discourse"? No thanks. Honestly, I want you to live with your assumptions and beliefs. No more goodwill from my side to your username.

It seems you are unusually embarrassed to admit being nothing more than a vibe-coder.

Why is this? Are you not proud that you can produce products without possessing any skill?

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