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Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by reddalo »

ivraatiems wrote: post #297
bombcar wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost always better to create a new airline ex-nihilo as you get brand new planes, which are better than older ones.

This is almost exactly the opposite of what most new airlines do. The fastest, cheapest way to get a good plane is to buy an old plane from an existing airline (preferably one going out of business, so you get a deal) and renovate it a little.

Ryanair is the best performing budget airline in Europe and they only buy new planes, because it's way cheaper to run them. Less time on land for maintenance = less wasted money.

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by Ekaros »

hellojimbo wrote: post #216

why not just start your own airline instead of buying one that is dysfunctional and losing money

In current era of regulation for starting airline is huge amount of paperwork. All sorts of permits, plans, filed documents and so on. So much so that just buying parts from collapsed one is cheaper option.

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by williamDafoe »

What a foolish mistake!

On Our maiden voyage aboard spirit, they dumped us halfway home, in las vegas. No compensation, no meal voucher, no overnight accomodation - they just DUMPED US (along with 30 other connecting passengers).

Spirit seems incapable of holding a flight even 5 mins for connecting passengers delayed via spirit's incompetence!

We saw them slam the door 50FT away to our connecting plane as we got off our plane. We watched in horror - our faces against the airport glass - as our next-leg pilot looked up at us and sat on the tarmac 30ft away doing NOTHING for 20 minutes as Spirit told us "nothing could be done" and "you missed your connecting flight" and "see the agent to get DUMPED AND NOTHING, later".

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by lostlogin »

eru wrote: post #261
lostlogin wrote: post #119

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Company, always: "We need government subsidy". Then hell yes to regulating what they do.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I know it’s frowned upon many circles, but regulation can work and do good.

There is plenty of crap legislation and regulation about, but it doesn’t have to be that way.

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by williamDafoe »

wolftune wrote: post #43

Spirit was killed by illegal predatory pricing!! There's no reason the corporate criminals who do this stuff would go easy on competition run by different people. The answer is anti-trust enforcement (and related enforcing of the law) and much stronger regulation of businesses in general (if not outright public/government airlines) https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/who-killed-spirit-airline...

Spirit was run by orangutans who screwed anyone with a connecting flight half the time. EOT.

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by williamDafoe »

wincy wrote: post #60
Teever wrote: post #17

I'm not American and I've never flown Spirit Air so can someone explain where all the loyalty to this airline is coming from? Like isn't this another big corp biting the dust?

I could fly from the middle of the USA to Orlando round trip for $90 if I just packed a backpack. Unbeatable value, that’s cheap enough for a spur of the moment weekend trip for the whole family.

Only on a nonstop. Spirit dumps passengers all the time on vonnections.

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by chadgpt1 »

eru wrote: post #253
throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #172

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Breaking down complex topics into binary black and white doesnt have to be wrong. The more important part is, how much wealth they extracted and how exactly. Was it market dominance with a superior product or amoral cost externalization. The angle of treating transportation as regulated utility shifts the business focus away from profit onto providing services, which sometimes can cost more than your income. Similarl…

> Similarly, would you close schools, because they didnt make enough money? Yes, of course. We should separate school and state. > Airlines are highly subsidized anyway, treating them as regulated utilities falls short of taking public ownership as public institutions, where services just cost money/subsidies. How are they highly subsidized? And where? Perhaps we should fix that, instead of adding to the problem? Two…

You'd force an entire generation of children to simply not be educated?

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by chadgpt1 »

card_zero wrote: post #209
bigyabai wrote: post #169

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Companies like John-Deere should be able to survive without abusing their downstream customers. Many farmers are importing tractors from China because they're cheap and not hostile to repair like JD is. Some people might call it a "smart business model" to sell interdependent services, but in the long-term it's suicide. Whether or not you solve this through regulation, that's up to you.

It would be nice if companies could commit suicide faster, instead of dragging it out over several decades.

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Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by haldujai »

nerdsniper wrote: post #282
999900000999 wrote: post #243

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Sounds good if you live on the East Coast. Even with Japanese level high speed rail NYC to LA still takes much much longer than flying. You need to buy land. Disrupt wildlife, and various ecosystems. The government should of bailed out Spirit instead. They served a public good. Allowing lower to middle income people to travel helps everyone.

Trains have been proven to be able to go at least 375mph [0]. That would make NYC->SF take 6.9 hours to travel the 4162 km. The current average flight time from NYC to SF is 6.7 hours. So, it's at least technically possible. China is doing R&D on a partial-vacuum train (basically Musk's hyperloop thing) with a target of 1,243 mph[1]. That's probably a pipe dream, but worth mentioning nonetheless. > The government sho…

> The current average flight time from NYC to SF is 6.7 hours.

What's your source for this? I take this flight a lot and I find it hard to believe it's more than 5.5-5.75 on average. Looking at the last few weeks for one of them[0] supports my experience.

Maybe your number has TSA/airport time included.

[0] https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ua1777

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by achierius »

card_zero wrote: post #198
roxolotl wrote: post #177

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Not op but I also agree with the framing assuming you add “and they provide a vital service” to both. If a vital service is being used to extract profits it should be regulated so that equal access to the vital service can be provided. If a vital service is being provided but cannot make money it should be regulated so that it can be sustained since it is vital. Now what is vital? Is Spirit vital? That’s the hard to…

1. "We want to have this, but we don't want to pay for it!" 2. "We won't pay for this, but we still want to have it!" These are of course both fair points. Why should we "pay for" things, what's that all about? We should just naturally have the natural things that we naturally want, supplied by pixies.

> We should just naturally have the natural things that we naturally want, supplied by pixies.

Is this how you see roads? Are we entitled for wanting those to be paid for by the state? What about the police? Should we have to pay whenever a police officer stops a mugging -- or is the wage of that officer, too, supplied by pixies?

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