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Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by smackeyacky »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #199
smackeyacky wrote: post #157

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https://youtu.be/GbIimta-TJs?si=3Sm-Dgl8DtfubFSt A period documentary about the Meridian Triumph motorcycles co op. Sad, thoughtful take on a particular bit of British manufacturing history. That the co op started with a strike, had to trade exclusively with a single customer, and that the senior workers became the managers they hated. Due to the structure of that co op there was no way for them to access the capital…

Thanks I will watch it, looks interesting. But i would say there's also a million documentaries, movies, news reports, examples and more about insane, evil, stupid shit that goes on in various corporations or how organizations turn to shit when acquired by PE as well. We know for example that cigarette companies knew their products caused cancer and other health problems for decades(!) while denying it publicly, and…

No doubt there is evil in the corporate world. I do think there is something in that documentary that changed my mind about a few things. It might not be representative o today since we’re talking 1970s UK but thought provoking anyway.

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by nerdsniper »

999900000999 wrote: post #243
pm90 wrote: post #205

The real solution should be a massive intercity bullet train program that connects major transit hubs, like the interstate highway buildout. The massive infrastructure spend would kickstart the US economy and provide thousands of jobs.

Sounds good if you live on the East Coast. Even with Japanese level high speed rail NYC to LA still takes much much longer than flying. You need to buy land. Disrupt wildlife, and various ecosystems. The government should of bailed out Spirit instead. They served a public good. Allowing lower to middle income people to travel helps everyone.

Trains have been proven to be able to go at least 375mph [0]. That would make NYC->SF take 6.9 hours to travel the 4162 km. The current average flight time from NYC to SF is 6.7 hours.

So, it's at least technically possible.

China is doing R&D on a partial-vacuum train (basically Musk's hyperloop thing) with a target of 1,243 mph[1]. That's probably a pipe dream, but worth mentioning nonetheless.

> The government should of [sic] bailed out Spirit instead.

I'd be okay with this if all the taxpayers were granted equal shares that their collective money could have purchased at an imputed no-bailout price.

0: L0 Series SCMaglev

1: T-Flight train

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by yolovoe »

oezi wrote: post #272
fluffyllemon wrote: post #107

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> It is a stupid game that I am forced to play You are not forced to play it. That is a just story you tell yourself. You can make a different choice.

All loyalty programs are stupid. People waste their time on 1-2% savings. It is insane.

That's one free round trip international flight per year in a lot of cases. Plus sometimes other benefits like theft insurance, warranty extension, phone insurance, etc.

You're subsidizing everyone else if you're not trying to get the best loyalty program.

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by apublicfrog »

bhhaskin wrote: post #228
tech234a wrote: post #20

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It seems to be an Instagram user: https://www.instagram.com/spiritair2.0/ and his own account is https://www.instagram.com/hitherehunter/

Sounds like someone is selling securities without a license tbh.

> Important Legal Notice: This is a non-binding pledge of intent. No money is collected at this stage. All references to profit-sharing, dividends, voting rights, and ownership are proposed concepts only — not confirmed arrangements. Nothing on this site constitutes a securities offering, investment contract, or financial instrument of any kind. The final cooperative structure must be reviewed and approved by qualified securities and aviation counsel. Participation does not guarantee ownership, financial return, or membership in any final entity. This is a movement, not an investment product.

From skimming, I see at least 5 places where this is reiterated on the page.

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

dannyw wrote: post #114
tomhow wrote: post #71

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They can't do this most of the time because for most of the year on most routes, supply outstrips demand (i.e., many/most flights on most airlines fly at least a little bit empty, often significantly empty – overall load factors are about 80-85%). They have to charge fares that customers will be willing to pay, even if that means losing money on a given flight. They can only charge profitable fares on the routes and…

Was that Flightfox? If so, I loved using it, helped me save so much money but also time :) It sounds like there’s a problem with having too many flights that are barely full and hence unprofitable. AFAIK the federal gov spends significant money subsidising many “small airport” routes even if they’re barely used.

The EAS Program (Essential Air Services) is the US Government program which subsidizes routes to small communities of you're curious.

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by [deleted] »

999900000999 wrote: post #243
pm90 wrote: post #205

The real solution should be a massive intercity bullet train program that connects major transit hubs, like the interstate highway buildout. The massive infrastructure spend would kickstart the US economy and provide thousands of jobs.

Sounds good if you live on the East Coast. Even with Japanese level high speed rail NYC to LA still takes much much longer than flying. You need to buy land. Disrupt wildlife, and various ecosystems. The government should of bailed out Spirit instead. They served a public good. Allowing lower to middle income people to travel helps everyone.

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Post by riffraff »

mylifeandtimes wrote: post #79
nerdsniper wrote: post #36

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Not in the USA. Also, the state’s interests often aren’t super well-aligned with the customers’ interests. Too many conflicts of interest for my taste.

Evidence? Isn't the state the expression of the people's will? That's the theory of democracy, isn't it? Also, any evidence or reason to believe that an extraction-based capitalist model is more aligned with customer interests (where the customer is the thing value is extracted from, and where corporate leadership salaries are directly tied to how much they can grift from the customers) than a government where the in…

I can give you an example based on two failed national airlines I experienced for years: Italy's Alitalia and Hungary's Malév.

Customers hated them. They were top examples of when public management fails. They were expensive for the customers and costed the tax payers billions to be kept alive, and basically everyone rejoiced when they were let go (Alitalia being reborn as ITA Airways and effectively operated by Lufthansa, Malev just disappeared).

The problem with state run enterprises is that the accountability to voters is very removed. You elect parliament and government which chooses some administrator at random times which chooses some managers etc..

It's not impossible to do well (many state run companies are fine!) but it's hardly a guarantee.

Re: Let's Buy Spirit Air

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Post by cromka »

rapatel0 wrote: post #48

Fundamental problem: Flights don't make money. Airlines actually make all of their money through loyalty programs and credit card payments. They basically should have turned into regulated utilities long ago, but loyalty program revenue saved them. Unless this initiative will turn into a credit card company (which nobody likes or wants to do) it won't go anywhere Private equity will likely sell the company for parts.…

And then you have RyanAir in Europe with no credit card or loyalty program offerings. They did have a loyalty subscription program, but it cost more than it generated.

Best not to generalize.

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Post by victorbjorklund »

eru wrote: post #264
devsda wrote: post #160

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You can't think of a single situation where an airline route is infinitely better and probably the only viable option ? Btw you don't need to completely disregard other modes of transport to appreciate bus :)

If they are so much better, why do they need subsidies?

Which transportation mode gets no direct or indirect subsides?

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Post by tshaddox »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #233
tshaddox wrote: post #184

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I’ve flown Spirit and Frontier several times, and Southwest many times (I know they’re not quite in the same category, especially after their recent changes). I genuinely don’t know what you’re referring to regarding the experience being wildly different. Other than a few quirks about what they do and don’t charge for and how they board and assign seats, I feel like there’s almost no meaningful difference between the…

I feel like you're living in a different universe then. I will literally never fly Spirit (well, neither will anyone else) nor Frontier ever, I loath the experiences I've had on them so much. First, as someone with relatively long thighs, I literally don't fit in their sardine can seats. But more relevant to most people, while things may be OK if everything goes perfectly and nothing is delayed or cancelled, you are…

I’m relatively tall and have a generally rough (but tolerable) time with all domestic bottom-tier seats.

I have no difficulty believing you when it comes to customer service. I’ve never had any issues requiring anything beyond the most basic customer service, so I just haven’t been exposed to differences between airlines in that regard. I also understand that a bad experience can leave an exceptionally bad impression. I suppose the only thing that might surprise me is if the higher-cost airlines don’t also have terrible service.

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