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Agentic Coding Is a Trap

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Re: Agentic Coding Is a Trap

#21

The thing is the code quality is still ultimately up to you Nothing stopping you from iterating with the agent till the code is the exact same quality that you yourself would write

"... iterating with the agent till the code is the exact same quality that you yourself would write"

I don't want my code quality, I want AGI code quality - that's what I was promised and jetpacks and flying cars too!

Re: Agentic Coding Is a Trap

#24
the funny thing is once the llms got mostly good enough in november 2025 for me, it was mind boggling how much it helped me get stuff out of my head with ease.

its easier for me to code now, because its like i have a 24/7 insane intern that needs to be supervised via pair programming but also understands most topics enough to be useful/ dangerous.

ironically ive been spending much of my time iterating on ways to improve model reasoning and reliability and aside from the challenge of benchmark design, ive had some pretty good success!!

my fork of omp: https://github.com/cartazio/oh-punkin-pi has a bunch of my ideas layered on top. ultimately its just a bridge till i’ve finished the build of the proper 2nd gen harness with some other really cool stuff folded in. not sure if theres a bizop in a hosted version of what ive got planned, but the changes ive done in my forks have made enough difference that i can see the different in per model reasoning

Re: Agentic Coding Is a Trap

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post #17

How can we solve this at a more fundamental level? I think many people already recognize the problem: -“Our ability to write code is being damaged.” -“If our ability to write code declines, our ability to recognize good code also declines.” But the problem is that the market no longer works without LLMs. Freelance rates and deadlines are now calibrated around LLM-assisted output. Even clients who write “do not vibe c…

"How can we solve this at a more fundamental level?"

Stop using AI for coding. Period...there is no other solution. You can't make it work, nobody else can either. Without determinism, the entire process is useless. We need to stop trying to act like we all know that this isn't true. We have given it a chance, it failed, time to move on to something else no matter how much the VCs and execs don't want to. Those that do move on have a chance, the others have no future in software.

Re: Agentic Coding Is a Trap

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post #4

I've been using AI tools to brainstorm approaches and sometimes generate code, but actually doing the typing myself. That way I'm less likely to forget the mechanics and programming language over time.

This is exactly what I do. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Me too, ... more or less. I'm mostly still typing, sometimes copy-and-pasting with typed changes, and rarely copy-and-pasting verbatim. With the caveat that in some cases, like prototypes, proofs-of-concept, and porting code between languages; then maybe many lines are copy-and-pasted verbatim.

Re: Agentic Coding Is a Trap

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Lars we are on the same page. I use LLMs to help me scope and get a second set of eyes on the high levels of a task. Then I write the code. Often I automate boilerplate or boring objects but sometimes it's faster/better for me to just write them. Then I will ask an LLM to say write some tests. Then I will focus on the cases they missed and write those myself.

I have been described as a decel and a Luddite though so be weary of my opinions.

Re: Agentic Coding Is a Trap

#29

The thing is the code quality is still ultimately up to you Nothing stopping you from iterating with the agent till the code is the exact same quality that you yourself would write

Sure, but then it's not really saving you time is it.

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Re: Agentic Coding Is a Trap

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post #17

How can we solve this at a more fundamental level? I think many people already recognize the problem: -“Our ability to write code is being damaged.” -“If our ability to write code declines, our ability to recognize good code also declines.” But the problem is that the market no longer works without LLMs. Freelance rates and deadlines are now calibrated around LLM-assisted output. Even clients who write “do not vibe c…

"How can we solve this at a more fundamental level?" Stop using AI for coding. Period...there is no other solution. You can't make it work, nobody else can either. Without determinism, the entire process is useless. We need to stop trying to act like we all know that this isn't true. We have given it a chance, it failed, time to move on to something else no matter how much the VCs and execs don't want to. Those that…

I agree with what you are saying, but if I cannot get work, I may literally have nothing to eat tomorrow.

So while I agree with your point, it does not feel like a practical answer for my situation. For someone who is already well known and has enough reputation, refusing to use AI may be a matter of principle. But I am dealing with survival.

I do not think your answer is bad. But because this is a survival problem, it is difficult for me to risk everything on principle.

In other words, I know that your answer may be the morally correct one. If everyone boycotted this, perhaps it would not be adopted so aggressively.

But I cannot do that.

What I need is a way to use AI while degrading my own ability as little as possible, and while still preserving my skills.

I am not saying you are wrong. I am saying that your answer is too idealistic for someone in my position.

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