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Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Post by jorvi »

ifwinterco wrote: post #59
jorvi wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Always so cute how fellow coffee lovers will loudly boast the health benefits of coffee, but when you add an asterisk they will see it as a personal attack and respond strongly :) Coffee is not what defines your identity. It's fine to admit it isn't perfect.

My point is not that unfiltered coffee is good, I’m just saying that northern italians who eat dessert for breakfast, cook everything in lard, drink unfiltered coffee and even (gasp) sometimes smoke cigarettes are significantly healthier than Americans on every metric. Not saying those things are necessarily good for you, I’m just saying we don’t seem to understand this stuff very well

Probably because they don't consume gobs of HFCS and ultra-processed foods, don't take the car for every single thing[0], and have obesity/overweight rates that are 20-40% lower. A healthier work-life balance and concomitant lower cortisol and blood pressure also helps a lot.

If you compare Italians and Greeks to, say, Swedes and Dutchies, you'd get a much different picture.

[0] not entirely Americans their personal fault, their urban design isn't for walking around

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Post by coldtea »

ifwinterco wrote: post #59
jorvi wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Always so cute how fellow coffee lovers will loudly boast the health benefits of coffee, but when you add an asterisk they will see it as a personal attack and respond strongly :) Coffee is not what defines your identity. It's fine to admit it isn't perfect.

My point is not that unfiltered coffee is good, I’m just saying that northern italians who eat dessert for breakfast, cook everything in lard, drink unfiltered coffee and even (gasp) sometimes smoke cigarettes are significantly healthier than Americans on every metric. Not saying those things are necessarily good for you, I’m just saying we don’t seem to understand this stuff very well

>and even (gasp) sometimes smoke cigarettes are significantly healthier than Americans on every metric.

Not just "sometimes". Less these days, but when they were recognized as blue zones decades ago almost everybody smoked like chimneys.

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Post by lazyasciiart »

panabee wrote: post #48

Here are more fascinating facts about caffeine and cancer. Caffeine affects the immune system via at least two opposing mechanisms. Mechanism 1: A2A receptor antagonism (immunostimulatory) Tumors and damaged tissues release adenosine, which engages the A2A receptor on immune cells and signals them to stand down. Caffeine antagonizes (i.e., blocks) this receptor. Mechanism 2: Raising intracellular cAMP (immunosuppress…

Absolutely. I was recently diagnosed with MPN, an odd “you’re probably fine” blood cancer, looking to learn everything.

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Post by globular-toast »

EbNar wrote: post #40
technothrasher wrote: post #5

"While caffeine is the major individual component of coffee, the study suggests that it may not be the primary driver of these health effects." All you haters that give me grief for drinking my daily cup of decaf can shut up now.

Why should someone hate on you just because you enjoy decaf?

It's common amongst "real men" types. It's basically making fun of someone because they actually like coffee and aren't just drinking it for the drug.

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Post by obsidianbases1 »

rendaw wrote: post #41
technothrasher wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I know the four main methods of decaffeination. The haters have gone down this road with me many times. Why can't people just let me drink my decaf? It's like they can't enjoy their caffeine unless everybody does. It's weirdly pushy.

I don't think GP was criticizing you for liking decaf. Just pointing out that the decaf process may have affects on the beneficial compounds that aren't caffeine.

True. I love black coffee, decaf or not. Just thought it was worth pointing out since the thread is about health benefits

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Post by obsidianbases1 »

didgeoridoo wrote: post #9
obsidianbases1 wrote: post #7

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Are you familiar with the process of extracting the caffeine in decaf? Unfortunately it isn't without potential downsides.

Supercritical CO2 extraction is pretty innocuous. Just buy good decaf from a place that doesn’t bathe their beans in toxic waste.

Good to know. Any recommendations where to find this?

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Post by m463 »

technothrasher wrote: post #5

"While caffeine is the major individual component of coffee, the study suggests that it may not be the primary driver of these health effects." All you haters that give me grief for drinking my daily cup of decaf can shut up now.

if you love coffee, drinking decaf can let you do it all day.

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Post by Jackpillar »

jorvi wrote: post #47
Bridged7756 wrote: post #27

I love coffee. It's good for you, it smells and tastes so good. It wakes you up, and prevents sleepiness after meals. Its stimulant nature is a plus, but not necessarily the main thing.

Unfortunately the most flavorful methods (espresso, french press, moka) also raise your cholesterol. So sadly, no, coffee is not universally "good for you". Filtered coffee methods are though, as the filter absorbs the oils.

Sorry brother but the worry around cholesterol - especially in the context of the US - is not stemming from people drinking too much coffee. If you have high cholesterol there are 15 other things you should probably be cutting down on. This is similar to people who tell people to watch the sugar content in their fruit intake. No ones getting obese off fruit, the benefits outweigh the negatives tenfold.

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Post by fatty_patty89 »

jorvi wrote: post #53
ifwinterco wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why Italians and Greeks famously all die young of heart disease

Always so cute how fellow coffee lovers will loudly boast the health benefits of coffee, but when you add an asterisk they will see it as a personal attack and respond strongly :) Coffee is not what defines your identity. It's fine to admit it isn't perfect.

The slight cholesterol boost from those doesn't matter... It's like saying that a banana is radioactive. Let me guess, it's bad to eat fat aswell?

There are far worse foods that spike your cholesterol, irrelevant point you've made

Re: Nuclear receptor 4A1 linked to health effects of coffee: study

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Post by wahnfrieden »

jorvi wrote: post #47
Bridged7756 wrote: post #27

I love coffee. It's good for you, it smells and tastes so good. It wakes you up, and prevents sleepiness after meals. Its stimulant nature is a plus, but not necessarily the main thing.

Unfortunately the most flavorful methods (espresso, french press, moka) also raise your cholesterol. So sadly, no, coffee is not universally "good for you". Filtered coffee methods are though, as the filter absorbs the oils.

Paper filters give you massive amounts of microplastics
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