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Neanderthals ran 'fat factories' 125k years ago (2025)

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Re: Neanderthals ran 'fat factories' 125k years ago (2025)

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Sounds plausible indeed. Anyways, neanderthals operating a large scale fat production 125 thousand years ago could be a good plot for another hollywood movie scenario. Any takers?

You might enjoy Hominids by Robert Sawyer

Tangentially related, The Man from Earth is really good as well.

Very few films choose to shoot on a camcorder, and fewer still pull it off well.

Re: Neanderthals ran 'fat factories' 125k years ago (2025)

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Planning ahead, bulk processing, storing for later. Sounds less like primitive survival and more like logistics. Every time we dig deeper the gap between them and us gets smaller.

Primitive survival in places with winter requires storing rations for the winter months. Dried meat, fruit, seeds, and rendered fat are what it takes to survive winter.

Re: Neanderthals ran 'fat factories' 125k years ago (2025)

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> TFA and our inferred history with them that they were terrifying apex predators All humans are. Neanderthals, Sapiens, modern humans, we are all apex predators. > occasionally raped human women The article doesn't suggest that. While it's plausible, there's also evidence of Sapien/Neanderthal cooperation and mingling: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260412071005.h... And lets not forget that all homin…

There is however a suggestion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Interbreeding > According to Svante Pääbo, it is not clear that modern humans were socially dominant over Neanderthals, which may explain why the interbreeding occurred primarily between Neanderthal males and modern human females. Unless read as suggesting "Neanderthal males were hugely charismatic"?

...or "Neanderthal males were huge, thus charismatic" :)

Re: Neanderthals ran 'fat factories' 125k years ago (2025)

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Planning ahead, bulk processing, storing for later. Sounds less like primitive survival and more like logistics. Every time we dig deeper the gap between them and us gets smaller.

To be fair, squirrels store things for later.

Re: Neanderthals ran 'fat factories' 125k years ago (2025)

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Lions, bears, wolves, etc all survived us

There is a long list of Megafauna that did not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Pleistocene_extinctions

Ah yeah looks I wasn't on the mark here. The "outcompete" framing is more accurate for neanderthals but for many pleistocene extinctions "hunted to extinction" did happen in some cases so it was not a good comparison. Thanks!

Re: Neanderthals ran 'fat factories' 125k years ago (2025)

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Why? Draw the line backwards, and in a couple of decades you are down at 0 IQ. That's clearly absurd, you can't draw any conclusions of IQ significantly before 1950 from how the line behaves after 1950.

the 'IQ' people conveniently ignore how the IQ test is such a poor measure for intelligence & resourcefulness

I learned a long time ago that people who talk about IQ don't usually have anything intelligent to say.

Re: Neanderthals ran 'fat factories' 125k years ago (2025)

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Precisely why is this hard to square away?

If the measured cognitive abilities of a typical 2000-era Homo sapiens are statistically significantly different from 1900-era Homo sapiens, to me that casts some doubt as to how likely similar a 125K years ago and since out-competed species was. Was the era from 1900 to 2000 so special/different as to be a one-off? (This is obviously an unpopular line of inquiry/source of confusion based on the voting.)

>Was the era from 1900 to 2000 so special/different as to be a one-off?

I mean if you look at the rate of technology change and population growth, ya probably.

What we cannot compare is if the older species could assimilate all the information that we had to in that period. The vast wealth of knowledge of the human super-species wasn't avaliable then.

Re: Neanderthals ran 'fat factories' 125k years ago (2025)

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You might enjoy Hominids by Robert Sawyer

Tangentially related, The Man from Earth is really good as well. Very few films choose to shoot on a camcorder, and fewer still pull it off well.

I just randomly watched that a month or two ago. A really interesting idea.
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