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Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by Telaneo »

mdavid626 wrote: post #91

I literraly can’t name one feature since Windows 7 what was worth it, even on the contrary: every update made the system worse. I had to restore Notepad, Calculator and Paint from Windows 7. What the hell Microsoft?

I can name features, but everything I can think of are technical features rather than obvious surface level stuff: DX12, better support for SSDs (Windows 7 doesn't natively support TRIM), HDR (I guess, but it still seems broken to me). And none of these are things that couldn't be implemented in Windows 7. The UI has nothing to do with these things, and there's no reason we couldn't have them without the trouble Windows 10/11, other than the fact that MS doesn't want to do things that way.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by embedding-shape »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #112
PeterStuer wrote: post #40

What people realy want: as little OS as possible to let them run just the things on their computer they want to run. What Microsoft wants: Windows as their straightjacket into the Microsoft services as that is where the revenue is. Why Windows got this bad: incentives and coercion placed on the teams to show uptake on the services no matter what leading to perversion in tactics and complete alienation of the user bas…

> Regaining trust is extremely hard after you've crossed an edge. Microsoft needs to learn consent. Everywhere there's a Yes and "Remind me later", there has to be a No. And the No has to work and be remembered forever, not forgotten after the next update. Using Windows has to stop feeling like you're being roofied all the time.

Good luck with that. I have a Windows computer I sometimes have to run stuff on overnight, like renders or what not. I've disabled everything I can related to Windows Update, plus setting "Active hours" or what not, so the computer doesn't reboot because of updates in the middle of the night.

Today I woke up, went to check the progress and wouldn't you know, Windows Update updated the computer and rebooted, and what I was waiting for was aborted... So fucking tiresome to use shit like this.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by fsflover »

alkonaut wrote: post #119
fsflover wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you wanted to run Ubuntu from the beginning, it would be better to search for a computer designed for it, not for Windows.

This is the one thing I want from an OS: I want it to work for the hardware I have, and the hardware I get tomorrow. Without having to google whether it will, or what hardware to buy. Without having to google some workaround or configure anything to get the most of it.

Your expectations are not reasonable. Imagine complaining about MacOS not working on a Windows laptop or vice versa.

You should buy preinstalled the OS you want instead.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by djyde »

PeterStuer wrote: post #40

What people realy want: as little OS as possible to let them run just the things on their computer they want to run. What Microsoft wants: Windows as their straightjacket into the Microsoft services as that is where the revenue is. Why Windows got this bad: incentives and coercion placed on the teams to show uptake on the services no matter what leading to perversion in tactics and complete alienation of the user bas…

But I really wonder, is wanting a "little OS" just a hacker thing? For most people, they probably just want a full-featured OS. I don't have a solid take on this yet.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by alkonaut »

fsflover wrote: post #123
alkonaut wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the one thing I want from an OS: I want it to work for the hardware I have, and the hardware I get tomorrow. Without having to google whether it will, or what hardware to buy. Without having to google some workaround or configure anything to get the most of it.

Your expectations are not reasonable. Imagine complaining about MacOS not working on a Windows laptop or vice versa. You should buy preinstalled the OS you want instead.

Mac chose another path. You buy a pc and OS and the same vendor makes both. You can’t choose but at least you also never need to wonder whether your laptop and OS work together.

Microsoft took a more difficult path. They have close contact with OEMs, run certification programs etc. A massive apparatus to make it somewhat likely that hardware will ”just work”.

Both of these are valid models. I’d be happy to use either. I’m not very keen on doing this work myself though. I can buy a PC with Ubuntu but then it’s still hit and miss if I buy something new for it. There is no canonical store selling canonical gear like the Apple Store

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by alkonaut »

tossandthrow wrote: post #116
alkonaut wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WPA3, DNS over HTTPS, WSL2, Windows Sandbox, Per monitor DPI scaling, QUIC, DirectX 12. The list can be made pretty long.

Funny that you mention wsl as a great windows feature - the ability to get out of windows.

Wine is a great thing on Linux too…

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by Smalltalker-80 »

avazhi wrote: post #54

> We know there’s a lot of excitement for Taskbar customization – and that’s coming soon. This will never not be funny to me. These clowns really did remove something that existed for decades and then spend more than a decade trying to edge their users to the fact that they were gonna bring it back. In 500 years when somebody looks up enshittification on Wikipedia, this should be the first example.

This announcement terrfies me. I dont think MS now has developers that are competent enough to reliably change core parts of Windows like the Explorer (taskbar). This plan will not only introduce bloat with reduced performance, but will also reduce core stability further. (Explorer has hanging issues since the april update). So please, please, please @Marcus. If you want to add stuff, please do it in side apps. Leave the core alone, that's above your ability currently. For the core please only focus on bug fixing and removing bloat again.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by Accacin »

globalnode wrote: post #90
Accacin wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a choice for you! I'm a pretty heavy PC gamer and whilst I've run Linux since I was in college (UK college, not US) I've always had a Windows install for gaming. A few years ago, I finally decided I'd had it with Windows and their crap and uninstalled it. If I game doesn't run on Linux, I don't play it. Simple as that. I'm lucky in that a majority of games I play run fine on Linux, the only real game I'd love…

>If I game doesn't run on Linux, I don't play it. Simple as that. yes ive reached that point too.

Especially because technically games run pretty amazing on Linux. The issue is always the anti-cheat that they decided to implement.

There's at least one anti-cheat that "works" on Linux so they have options.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by cheschire »

cbdevidal wrote: post #105
sagacity wrote: post #81

I recently got locked out of my machine because logging in with the mandatory Microsoft account-backed primary user of my machine didn't work anymore. It said I was offline and I had to use the "previous password" even though I didn't have a previous password for that account. Hacking around in the recovery console to add another administrator user worked, but then I couldn't reset the original user's password becaus…

Also years of Windows muscle memory here, especially the keyboard shortcuts. I’ve used Windows since 1997. I’ve decided I’m done. A new PC arrives in a month. It’ll be running Ubuntu. I’m done. Maybe there is a Linux language similar to DirectX you might transition to? Maybe test code in a VM? (Although that gets you right back into Win11.)

These suggestions are like telling someone that that is being harassed to maybe wear something different.

While it would, yes, likely avoid the problem happening again, it shifts the responsibility to the party that should not be at fault.

Meanwhile the harasser is like “what’s wrong? I took an anti-harassment class?”

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by lawn »

throwa356262 wrote: post #12
ciconia wrote: post #4

Just switch to Linux people!

My first hand experience with Windows vs Linux this month: A friend of mine recently bought a very expensive laptop to do some gaming. I helped him set it up and god that was a horrible experience. For example, we could not get rid of LinkedIn and other crap Microsoft wanted to force on him. Disabling copilot and removing Office required registry surgery. And the damn fans were always running because of some unknown…

I installed CachyOS for my 8-year old son and his desktop instead of Windows.

It's been wonderful.

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