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Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by rincebrain »

throwa356262 wrote: post #12
ciconia wrote: post #4

Just switch to Linux people!

My first hand experience with Windows vs Linux this month: A friend of mine recently bought a very expensive laptop to do some gaming. I helped him set it up and god that was a horrible experience. For example, we could not get rid of LinkedIn and other crap Microsoft wanted to force on him. Disabling copilot and removing Office required registry surgery. And the damn fans were always running because of some unknown…

Not the main focus but, FYI, a number of pieces of hardware will default to full tilt fans unless you have their tooling running to manage things.

NVIDIA GPUs were infamous for doing this with nouveau on less ideally supported cards, for example.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by londons_explore »

zx8080 wrote: post #31
advael wrote: post #10

It fascinates me to speculate about who this is for. At least among people I've talked to, the ones who still want windows (instead of the obvious alternatives) cite wanting things to "just work", often claiming that they "don't want making the computer work to become a second job" or similar. I personally don't think these preferences reflect the reality of how much effort using e.g. a linux distro is in this day an…

> obvious alternatives First of all, in many countries outside of EU/US it's just not possible to buy laptop without preinstalled Windows 11 (except Apple). For example, even if a model supports Linux in the US as many Lenovo Thinkpads do, in Singapore it's just not sold without Windows. Second, Microsoft has broken sleep with pushing S0 sleep in UEFI. Bettery life is shit now, and hibernate is disabled by default in…

I don't really understand the rationale behind disabling S3 sleep...

Was it simply that getting every device and driver to properly support it was hard, so the easiest option was to remove it and have the machine always powered up?

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by als0 »

zx8080 wrote: post #31
advael wrote: post #10

It fascinates me to speculate about who this is for. At least among people I've talked to, the ones who still want windows (instead of the obvious alternatives) cite wanting things to "just work", often claiming that they "don't want making the computer work to become a second job" or similar. I personally don't think these preferences reflect the reality of how much effort using e.g. a linux distro is in this day an…

> obvious alternatives First of all, in many countries outside of EU/US it's just not possible to buy laptop without preinstalled Windows 11 (except Apple). For example, even if a model supports Linux in the US as many Lenovo Thinkpads do, in Singapore it's just not sold without Windows. Second, Microsoft has broken sleep with pushing S0 sleep in UEFI. Bettery life is shit now, and hibernate is disabled by default in…

> Microsoft has broken sleep with pushing S0 sleep in UEFI

> Sleep s3 is needed, but Microsoft killed it.

Would you or someone else here mind explaining this?

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by hiq »

rincebrain wrote: post #41
throwa356262 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My first hand experience with Windows vs Linux this month: A friend of mine recently bought a very expensive laptop to do some gaming. I helped him set it up and god that was a horrible experience. For example, we could not get rid of LinkedIn and other crap Microsoft wanted to force on him. Disabling copilot and removing Office required registry surgery. And the damn fans were always running because of some unknown…

Not the main focus but, FYI, a number of pieces of hardware will default to full tilt fans unless you have their tooling running to manage things. NVIDIA GPUs were infamous for doing this with nouveau on less ideally supported cards, for example.

But it's the kind of things you'd expect Windows to take care of automatically, or in the worst case, to prompt the users to install on first boot, especially if Linux (with overall less driver support from manufacturers).

And with a preinstalled Windows (tuned to the laptop) this behavior should not be observed at all.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by 999900000999 »

>We’ve also made changes to the Power menu so you’ll always see the standard Restart and Shut down options without having to install a pending update first. You decide when updates happen, not the other way around.

Multiple times I've wanted to shutdown my laptop so I can go home and Windows says no, sit here for 5 minutes.

I don't trust sleep mode to not keep running and overheat, so I wait.

Macbooks with 1TB drives are getting cheaper every day. Music production on Linux isn't really practical. A lot of this stuff barely runs on Windows/OSX.

Competition is great. But this is about the Mac Neo( and left over M4 Macs crashing in price ). Desktop Linux is still a challenge.

I consider myself an advanced Linux user, and it still took me an hour this morning to figure out how to get a VPN to work on Open Suse.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by avazhi »

avaer wrote: post #35
SeriousM wrote: post #29

> Second, a shared sense of pride. We want to be proud of what we build... Yep, that's marketing. You don't care about your users.

Yes, they do admit that. > a broader shift to make AI in Windows more intentional and realign the experiences to those that provide the most value to users To be fair they are claiming a shift away from their previous policy of not aligning the product to provide value to users...

> realign the experiences to those that provide the most value to users

Aside from the fact that nobody actually takes what Microsoft says seriously (they are professional bullshitters [with full time PR firms perfecting their bullshit] and have been for 30 years), it's funny that even this line can be reasonably interpreted as pushing more blatant nonsense onto consumers as long as it's what C-suite types think they should be paying for.

Notice that what provides the most value to users is not at all necessarily the same thing as'what our users want'. And it isn't even clear that Microsoft is thinking of consumer users here as opposed to corporate users and corporate IT departments, which are in most cases these days their actually direct customers. Most home user consumers don't pay for Windows directly.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by polyamid23 »

For 2 months now the „put in admin credentials“ dialog is so fundamentally broken - ui-wise, it is unbelievable (in the sense that I do not believe it actually made it to production even though I see it with my own eyes). There are so many anecdotes about slop by now, the working parts become the anecdotes.

By now Windows, for me is more like a reality TV show than an OS.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by Accacin »

jofzar wrote: post #16
ciconia wrote: post #4

Just switch to Linux people!

Except I can't because of the games I play?

This is a choice for you! I'm a pretty heavy PC gamer and whilst I've run Linux since I was in college (UK college, not US) I've always had a Windows install for gaming.

A few years ago, I finally decided I'd had it with Windows and their crap and uninstalled it. If I game doesn't run on Linux, I don't play it. Simple as that.

I'm lucky in that a majority of games I play run fine on Linux, the only real game I'd love to play is Vermintide 2. My friends also run a mix of Linux and Windows and so we're fairly fine skipping games as a group if we can't play on Linux.

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