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Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by twoodfin »

ciupicri wrote: post #215
twoodfin wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hn consumers by and large weren’t upvoting AI-written technology articles 12 months ago. The models got better, and now multiple such articles appear on the front page daily—with glowing comments. Humanity’s aesthetics are not (apparently) all that sophisticated on average.

Could you give some examples of such articles?

Here’s a sample of my “flagged” list from just the past few days:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47972367

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47952807

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47949585

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47913650

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911524

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47897140

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by twoodfin »

arcticfox wrote: post #209
twoodfin wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hn consumers by and large weren’t upvoting AI-written technology articles 12 months ago. The models got better, and now multiple such articles appear on the front page daily—with glowing comments. Humanity’s aesthetics are not (apparently) all that sophisticated on average.

[flagged]

Exactly backwards: These articles suck because the writing sucks. There was this morning a well-written, engaging article about building a Gameboy emulator in F# that the author admitted using some LLM help to compose. Easy upvote.

It’s not impossible to get these tools to make your writing better, and presumably that will become easier over time. But if you don’t put in the effort & your own clear ideas, the result today is garbage. But pleasing garbage to a wide swath of the hn audience. Pop tech writing!

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by cma »

vintermann wrote: post #191
jameslk wrote: post #140

I might be in the minority, but I think this anti-AI sentiment is going to be generational. The next AI-native generation to grow up creating AI music, photos, videos, literature, code, etc will think it's silly why the older generation is so appalled at what they created and resistant to using AI to do it I'm not placing a value judgement either way, but I do think there will be a divide in the ways things are done…

It's not that simple, I think. Music, literature, even photos and software sometimes, are interesting for their context - someone made them, for you, and they wanted to tell you something. They're interesting because we care about the person on the other end. But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? We can argue about this if you want. Long chain of comments back and forth. But ask yourself, if…

Natural beauty doesn't need a person on the other end to be appreciated, as one counterexample.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by avaer »

threepts wrote: post #97
bjt wrote: post #87

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The models that make AI songs were trained on real musicians' copyrighted works, without permission. It's kinda shitty to steal someone's works, then use them to build a machine to also steal their jobs.

Bruno Mars started as an Elvis Presley impersonator (likely without his permission as he was dead at that time), can we say he stole his job? People take ideas from other people all the time, my view is if machines do it, it isn't much of a different thing.

People have been killing people for ages, so nukes for everyone!

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Post by 7jjjjjjj »

sgskinner wrote: post #68
coldpie wrote: post #11

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> Can Spotify actually become human- and artist-first? No, it can't. Its founder Daniel Ek is a war profiteer. He is by definition anti-human. Spotify itself is actively anti-artist. It has the lowest pay rates in the industry and is embracing AI replacing humans so they can pay humans even less. Stop using it and vote with your wallet. Literally any alternative you choose is an improvement for artists over Spotify.…

> Literally any alternative you choose is an improvement Counterintuitive to me would be (1) not listening at all, or (2) torrenting. I suppose choosing (1) means Spotify has less leverage over the artist, but to the detriment of the artist since they don’t get that fraction of a cent. Additionally, that also means one less pair of ears discovering the artist. I suppose at least with torrenting the discovery aspect i…

Both of those options are better because they don't involve giving your money to Spotify.

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Post by 7jjjjjjj »

jrumbut wrote: post #35
Semaphor wrote: post #17

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Big Bandcamp fan, I get almost all my music from there. But their AI removal (well, or piracy removal for that matter) is rather lacking. Any action takes over a week, sometimes more. Just like with clear piracy (pre release leaks have been up for months), and when they do, they just remove it, whoever bought it is out of luck. I love the site, but they have a long way to go.

They have been great for what I use them for, occasion niche discoveries, but I'm not sure they replace Spotify for the "hop in my car and my favorite mainstream hits begin playing without having to think too hard about it" use case.

Isn't that what FM radio is for?

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by userbinator »

vintermann wrote: post #191
jameslk wrote: post #140

I might be in the minority, but I think this anti-AI sentiment is going to be generational. The next AI-native generation to grow up creating AI music, photos, videos, literature, code, etc will think it's silly why the older generation is so appalled at what they created and resistant to using AI to do it I'm not placing a value judgement either way, but I do think there will be a divide in the ways things are done…

It's not that simple, I think. Music, literature, even photos and software sometimes, are interesting for their context - someone made them, for you, and they wanted to tell you something. They're interesting because we care about the person on the other end. But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? We can argue about this if you want. Long chain of comments back and forth. But ask yourself, if…

But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care?

There are countless people "on the other end" --- everyone who contributed training data, and of course the one who prompted the AI to generate the result. It's odd that this debate always ends up with one side thinking there's a machine autonomously generating music, when in fact AI-generated music comes from humans using AI to create what they want.

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Post by roenxi »

xingped wrote: post #208
techno303 wrote: post #147

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6 tracks have made the Billboard charts. That's a pretty definitive signal that people are listening to AI music. Where to draw the line on what is/isn't AI is a rabbit hole in and of itself. You'd have a hard time convincing me that people aren't using AI to build the most powerful DSP plugins. I've been very pleasantly surprised by how easy it is to make very music-useful tools with Faust and Codex. https://www.bil…

One of the problems is that it's hard to tell at first that it's AI music. Probably still hard to figure it out by ear after you've been told. But I think not nearly as many people would choose to listen to AI songs if they knew they were AI. There's a reason it can succeed as it is now. Making music that is catchy to our ears is fairly formulaic. It's easy fot AI to do the same. But if they start labeling which musi…

I'm put in mind of the Merchandise Marks Act 1887 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany#History - which ultimately did the opposite of what it was expected to do. There is a real chance here that people just want to listen to something that sounds nice and aren't that fussed about whether a human is involved.

Besides, people seem to go in pretty strongly with computers to tune the sound already. It wouldn't be that shocking if people were already listening to works that can only be made with the aid of a computer.

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Post by shoopadoop »

jameslk wrote: post #140

I might be in the minority, but I think this anti-AI sentiment is going to be generational. The next AI-native generation to grow up creating AI music, photos, videos, literature, code, etc will think it's silly why the older generation is so appalled at what they created and resistant to using AI to do it I'm not placing a value judgement either way, but I do think there will be a divide in the ways things are done…

Overwhelming abundance makes things boring. Just think of how you own ALL the games for your emulators and how it actually makes it hard to focus on actually playing them.
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