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Apple’s stock price falls to lowest point in six months

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Re: Apple’s stock price falls to lowest point in six months

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Apple's real or fictitious woes aside, if the stock closed up 2.06 to 527.68 on Friday, how is Friday's close the lowest Apple has been in 6 months? Wouldn't that be Thursday's close of 525.62?

You're right, friday was not the lowest close, but intraday they made a new low and then bounced back pretty dramatically. I took the opportunity to buy a little.

Re: Apple’s stock price falls to lowest point in six months

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I don't see any material changes at Apple that can explain this stock slide. Some people are saying that Apple is releasing only small iterations on existing products rather than blockbuster new products, but for every brand new product Apple has released since 1998 or so they've released far more iterative improvements. Some people are pointing to new services that are flawed, but Apple has released flawed services in the past (MobileMe?) and that hasn't had much of an impact on customer demand.

Does Apple face stronger competition from Samsung and others? Yes, but any reasonable investor should have factored in the fact that Apple's competitors would do a decent job building comparable products.

It seems to me that Apple's potential for growth remains unchanged - even if you don't factor in some new blockbuster product, in PCs they are growing at the expense of other manufacturers and they still have a lot of room for growth internationally. I don't see anything that's justified a 25% drop in value.

Re: Apple’s stock price falls to lowest point in six months

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post #7

"Analysts say that Apple has had a string of misfortunes lately, ranging from missed earnings estimates, management shakeups, missteps on mapping software, supply chain problems, and increased pressure from competitors." I think the bigger issue is that Apple has accumulated a ton of technical debt recently by having a ridiculous number of products in the market. To keep the plates spinning they've been forced to hir…

Compared to almost any other company near their size, they have a ridiculously small number of products in the market.

Re: Apple’s stock price falls to lowest point in six months

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(Full disclosure: I bought Apple stock and calls in the last 2 days, for a short term trade. Yes, I was &*!@-ing my pants yesterday when it hit ~$505.)

The difference with Apple and other momentum stocks is that Apple isn't like Netflix, where hype deeply overshadowed the problem they have with increasing content costs, or Groupon, which simply has a terrible business model.

Apple makes an incredible amount of real money and real demand. In this 4th quarter, Apple will make more money than Cisco will throughout its entire year.

My concern isn't that people will all of a sudden stop buying Apple hardware... that simply won't happen. They will continue to make billions upon billions of dollars.

My concern is that there are a number of strategic missteps almost as soon as Steve Jobs died. I think the iPad mini will cannibalize iPad sales completely and I think a lot of strategic decisions appears to be fraught with confusion and desperation, like Apple Maps, releasing iPad 4 6 months after iPad 3, etc. I get the argument as to why they made the iPad Mini (my wife wants to get one because it will fit in her purse easier), but I still think very few will buy iPads, and they will need to double iPad Mini sales to make up for lost iPad sales, but I guess we'll see in January.

The major difference with Apple and a company like Microsoft or Cisco is that they don't have much recurring revenue streams. Most of their revenues come from consumers purchasing their goods quarter after quarter. In order to keep growing revenues, they really have to maintain their amazing pace of innovation.

If they make a really bad strategic misstep, and people slow down in terms of buying the products, it will show up immediately, and they won't have a strong enterprise pipeline to buffer them. In 2011, Apple sales were about $60B. In fiscal 2012, they were over $100B. So, could their revenues drop to $60B in a year? It's not probable, but it's possible.

That being said, their PE ratio is ridiculously low, something like 10x next year's earnings, and they have $120B in cash. They can do something ridiculous like buy Facebook or even Cisco for cash, and still have more money than most other companies out there, so there is a lot of room for dramatic and aggressive action by Apple.

Re: Apple’s stock price falls to lowest point in six months

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(Full disclosure: I bought Apple stock and calls in the last 2 days, for a short term trade. Yes, I was &*!@-ing my pants yesterday when it hit ~$505.) The difference with Apple and other momentum stocks is that Apple isn't like Netflix, where hype deeply overshadowed the problem they have with increasing content costs, or Groupon, which simply has a terrible business model. Apple makes an incredible amount of real m…

I think their logical next move that's been fairly obvious to most people is the television. $120B ought to be enough to make that a reality and is the first true test of a post Jobs Apple.

It's likely been in the pipeline long enough to have Jobs's impressions, but if it lacks the final polish it will be glaringly obvious Apple is letting its focus slip. My expectation is something on par with the original iPhone launch.

Re: Apple’s stock price falls to lowest point in six months

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(Full disclosure: I bought Apple stock and calls in the last 2 days, for a short term trade. Yes, I was &*!@-ing my pants yesterday when it hit ~$505.) The difference with Apple and other momentum stocks is that Apple isn't like Netflix, where hype deeply overshadowed the problem they have with increasing content costs, or Groupon, which simply has a terrible business model. Apple makes an incredible amount of real m…

I'd argue their willingness to cannibalize their exisiting products is exactly why they are doing so well. The product that finally killed the iPod was the iPhone.

Re: Apple’s stock price falls to lowest point in six months

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(Full disclosure: I bought Apple stock and calls in the last 2 days, for a short term trade. Yes, I was &*!@-ing my pants yesterday when it hit ~$505.) The difference with Apple and other momentum stocks is that Apple isn't like Netflix, where hype deeply overshadowed the problem they have with increasing content costs, or Groupon, which simply has a terrible business model. Apple makes an incredible amount of real m…

I think the iPad mini will cannibalize iPad sales completely

I think Apple prefer that to Android 7" tablets cannibalizing iPad sales.

Re: Apple’s stock price falls to lowest point in six months

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(Full disclosure: I bought Apple stock and calls in the last 2 days, for a short term trade. Yes, I was &*!@-ing my pants yesterday when it hit ~$505.) The difference with Apple and other momentum stocks is that Apple isn't like Netflix, where hype deeply overshadowed the problem they have with increasing content costs, or Groupon, which simply has a terrible business model. Apple makes an incredible amount of real m…

I bought some 2013-APR-20 $600 calls yesterday, too (I'm glad I didn't see the $505 drop; I think I got mine when the price was around $520).

I'm hoping they release a new product between now and then. Unfortunately iPad Mini has both lower margins and lower selling price than the iPad, so while it might get some secondary sales for people who own an iPad already (either a new one or upgrading sooner than otherwise), it will probably hurt more than that because it will cannibalize iPad 4 sales.

Supply issues also kind of suck -- they won't have the new iMacs in time for christmas or end of the year budget, and there's no retina external monitor, so the Mini isn't as great a choice as a desktop. The rMBP15 remains the high end choice. If there's any disruption to iPad 4, iPad Mini, or iPhone 5 supply, they're screwed (and it appears there are pretty big supply constraints for each, which might last through the season.)

Apple has been pretty horrible at services, so I think the best chance is a TV device, or potentially a sufficiently refreshed computing line as to take over more business sales.

Re: Apple’s stock price falls to lowest point in six months

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post #17

(Full disclosure: I bought Apple stock and calls in the last 2 days, for a short term trade. Yes, I was &*!@-ing my pants yesterday when it hit ~$505.) The difference with Apple and other momentum stocks is that Apple isn't like Netflix, where hype deeply overshadowed the problem they have with increasing content costs, or Groupon, which simply has a terrible business model. Apple makes an incredible amount of real m…

I'd argue their willingness to cannibalize their exisiting products is exactly why they are doing so well. The product that finally killed the iPod was the iPhone.

Actually it was the iPod Mini that killed the iPod. Then the Nano killed the Mini. Then the iPhone killed the entire line.

So, the spirit of your statement is right on the money. This is Apples truth strength. Their lack of complacency.

The iPad Mini will eat the iPad. I would nearly guarantee that's the whole idea.

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