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Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by Barrin92 »

threepts wrote: post #131
Barrin92 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>then they should close their ears rather than trying to maim others criticism isn't maiming anyone. I don't know about you but I was taught that debating culture is part of a living society. A lot of people think that the human centipede dopamine machine that is "AI art" is a disaster for us and instead of acting like the three monkeys as mature adults we can critique this the idea that we should "close our ears" is…

Criticism is healthy and != maiming, but it is apparent that mainstream culture nowadays labels "AI Art" consumers as dumb and tasteless. I think this is maiming. >"the idea that we should "close our ears" is of course itself the very appeal of AI content, it never challenges or complains, that's the appeal of AI music, AI boyfriends and so on." -> People also do shrooms that arguably have a similar effect, who am I…

It is dumb and tasteless and nobody's being maimed for pointing that out, it's DFW's Infinite Jest made real. The psychedelics and shrooms analogy is very appropriate, because it gave us a generation of escapist idiots who fried their brains and retreated into their own fantasies. Instead of going out, producing, debating and collectively making art.

Who are you not to judge? It should be judged, it's narcissistic and solipsistic. if the AI psychosis is comparable to the 60s and 70s at least there's hope it'll exhaust itself as quickly.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by andersonpico »

twoodfin wrote: post #77
mjr00 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The more appropriate question is why they published a AI artist at all. Because they allow anyone to upload to Spotify. There's nothing stopping me, you, or anyone from generating AI tracks with Suno & friends, downloading them, and using a service like LANDR or Amuse to distribute them to Spotify, all for free. > Like Spotify owns distribution, their largest investor Tencent Music Entertainment Group publishes AI-…

hn consumers by and large weren’t upvoting AI-written technology articles 12 months ago. The models got better, and now multiple such articles appear on the front page daily—with glowing comments. Humanity’s aesthetics are not (apparently) all that sophisticated on average.

HN is the most concentrated accelerationist audience in the whole world and its very particular type of crowd. I don't think this translates at all to general public (well, maybe I would agree with you that the aesthetic sense of people on here is really less sophisticated than average).

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by jjmarr »

jameslk wrote: post #140

I might be in the minority, but I think this anti-AI sentiment is going to be generational. The next AI-native generation to grow up creating AI music, photos, videos, literature, code, etc will think it's silly why the older generation is so appalled at what they created and resistant to using AI to do it I'm not placing a value judgement either way, but I do think there will be a divide in the ways things are done…

The younger generation will split, as it always does, between AI-native and "hyperauthenticity" that rejects things even the previous generation accepted. Like how vinyl is outselling CDs.

Rather than focus on "Verified" streaming, I'd expect "AI reject" Gen Alphas to exclusively listen to live music generated through electromechanical devices.

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Post by Bender »

This is a good start. I would like to see a standardized browser client header that could tell a site that if I see anything AI related I will block their domain and to disable all AI related crud. Similar in concept to the useless DNT header but instead NOAI so I do not have to be logged in to disable AI content on Youtube for example.

For the record I do not dislike all AI content. I enjoy the YT channels that non-stop create Templar Battle Hymns and Gregorian Chants [1]. My portable MP3 player is full of more than I could ever listen to. I just want to get rid of the AI news, AI upcoming movies and other propaganda.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDS_iQdbV0U

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by unleaded »

johnfn wrote: post #136
grokys wrote: post #95

I do wonder why AI music is so lame. Every previous technological advancement in music produced amazing new sounds and styles but AI music seems to just be emulating lowest common denominator pop sludge. Where's the Bruce Haack or Kraftwerk of AI? Surely there's a previously unimaginable sound palette out there that we could be pulling from. Why is it all so BAD?

When modern DAWs like FL Studio started democratizing music production, there was immediate backlash in the music production community. I know this because I lived through it. Music made with FL Studio was considered garbage, not by serious musicians, amateur. "FL Studio users are incapable of making good music", etc. Of course now well-respected musicians like Tyler the Creator and Porter Robinson use FL Studio and…

It's easy to apply the same pattern of "people hated it, then liked it" but I think something's different about AI. I think a lot of the kneejerk reactions are subconscious but I don't think that means they're unfounded or invalid, they just haven't articulated the reason yet.

When AI image generation was a thing that hobbyists were messing around with (before it became good sometime in 2023) a lot of the creative-type people that abhor AI today were interested in it. Same thing with LLMs and stuff like AI Dungeon. ( I don't think AI music generation had a similar hobbyist era but not sure. )

I think the main thing that changed was how big and commercial it became. There's nothing counter-cultural about AI anymore, it's become the polar opposite. Nobody was making billions selling synthesizers & convincing investors it would replace 99% of musicians.

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Post by reconnecting »

input_sh wrote: post #86
reconnecting wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies, I had correct my comment prior to your reply. > Because they allow anyone to upload to Spotify. No one is allowed to upload directly to Spotify. However, I wasn't aware that distributors might not vet content prior to publishing.

> However, I wasn't aware that distributors might not vet content prior to publishing. Oh it's far worse than that. Some of them like the abovementioned LANDR also offer "AI-assisted music production", so there's that! Very few do proper vetting. They'll remove your music in a heartbeat if someone reports you to them (even in cases where such a report is completely bogus), but they won't do much to vet you beforehand…

> Very few do proper vetting.

Sounds promising. You nearly convinced me to reinstall FruityLoops and finally set out on the artist's path.

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Post by giogio »

amarant wrote: post #127
grokys wrote: post #95

I do wonder why AI music is so lame. Every previous technological advancement in music produced amazing new sounds and styles but AI music seems to just be emulating lowest common denominator pop sludge. Where's the Bruce Haack or Kraftwerk of AI? Surely there's a previously unimaginable sound palette out there that we could be pulling from. Why is it all so BAD?

I find AI Iran to be the best hip-hop in a long time. What's bad about this? https://youtu.be/i0u_BNPOsMw?si=IQ49AkUM-4tFTqKX

I mean this respectfully, I encourage you to listen to more music if you find this to be “the best hip hop in a long time”

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Post by OneDeuxTriSeiGo »

threepts wrote: post #117
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote: post #101

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They are soulless because often they are AI covers of existing songs trying to mimic the original artist so that they get substituted in as replacements for the original with limited realization on the part of the average listener. Which of course that means the AI covers get the listens and the associated revenue instead of the original artist. So instead of listening to "System of a Down", you get a cover from the…

"soulless" is a term YOU label people with for enjoying a certain type of music. This is your problem, not the people's problem for enjoying this sort of music. But I agree with your second point, an AI should NOT BE able to mimic a brand/personality such that it brings harm to them. Your third point, actually it is NOT distinct from actual cover artists, because if I tomorrow pick a system of the down hum and then r…

> system of the down

System of a Down

> then remix it and it gets popular, their automated DRM system will probably C&D me and their label sue me to oblivion using the same AI.

Yes it will because remixing is not a cover. Remixing is a derivative work of the recording and therefore is subject to the terms of the mechanical license on the recording itself. The copyright on a recording is legally distinct from the copyright on the composition (the melody and lyrics).

You are protected under a provision of the Copyright Act of 1909 to modify and perform your own renditions of the original composition (provided it has been recorded previously). Provided you supply some level of original creative input and don't use the recording in your work, the original rights holder are required to provide you at no cost what is called a "mechanical license" for your cover granting you the right to distribute and sell the recording of your copyright.

In the past, granting of mechanical licenses was between parties (i.e. IP holder reaches out when they discover you made a cover and they grant you a license or you go to court and the court grants you the license. But as of 2021 a non profit body was formed under the guidance of the federal government to handle the blanket granting of mechanical licenses to any and all human covers (provided they did not use the original recording in their work).

If you sample the original work at all then you are now creating a derivative work of the recording and you must negotiate for a mechanical license (which is not required to be free). Likewise if you remix it.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by threepts »

Barrin92 wrote: post #151
threepts wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Criticism is healthy and != maiming, but it is apparent that mainstream culture nowadays labels "AI Art" consumers as dumb and tasteless. I think this is maiming. >"the idea that we should "close our ears" is of course itself the very appeal of AI content, it never challenges or complains, that's the appeal of AI music, AI boyfriends and so on." -> People also do shrooms that arguably have a similar effect, who am I…

It is dumb and tasteless and nobody's being maimed for pointing that out, it's DFW's Infinite Jest made real. The psychedelics and shrooms analogy is very appropriate, because it gave us a generation of escapist idiots who fried their brains and retreated into their own fantasies. Instead of going out, producing, debating and collectively making art. Who are you not to judge? It should be judged, it's narcissistic an…

Do not agree with what you say at all. some people are usually afraid of going out because people like you label them narcissistic and solipsistic so they stick to LLMs.
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