Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

Post by guelo » Sat, Nov 17, 2012, 6:04 AM UTC

kamaal wrote: post #111

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Things like that can do far more damage than rocket attacks can. No, not really. We have cases like this: http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/05/17/201019/non-viol... and it doesn't seem to change anything. Also, is there any writer on foreign affairs more ignorant than Thomas Friedman?

Many cases like that existed during the Indian Independence movement too. One that is very famous is the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre ) In which a general ordered his army to fire at a crowd of innocent women, children and men totally unarmed and assembled to celebrate a festival. Its a very famous lesson taught in history classes in schools here in India. Read the…

Post by anthonyb » Sat, Nov 17, 2012, 10:14 AM UTC

tkahn6 wrote: post #112

kamaal wrote: post #82

As an Indian and somebody who studied the non violence moment of Gandhi both in South Africa and India. I can talk about the nature of political movements, I studied in quite a great detail. Even in India, the nature of non violence movement was not completely non violent- Its true that non violence came as a overwhelming force for the British. But the British did deal and perceive violent revolutionary sources as a…

I appreciate your analysis, but no, the rockets are more fatal and dangerous than script kiddies hitting "Go" on their LOIC application from the comfort of their homes, far away from danger. Taking down websites and leaking passwords is inconsequential juvenility when compared to the hell that Israelis in S'derot have been living in for years and years and what citizens of Tel Aviv are experiencing now. Hamas is a ho…

Post by anthonyb » Sat, Nov 17, 2012, 10:24 AM UTC

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Gaza is among the most densely populated areas on Earth. It is simply not feasible for civilians to comply with such orders.

There are both dense and sparsely populated areas of the Strip. Israel are not carpet-bombing the area, they are performing pinpoint strikes on legitimate military targets. As a civilian, it is not difficult to avoid those targets.

Post by mikevm » Sat, Nov 17, 2012, 10:25 AM UTC

kamaal wrote: post #108

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> Even in India, the nature of non violence movement was not completely non violent It's difficult, if not impossible, for non-violent movements to succeed without the existence of credible threat of violence. Sad, but generally true. This was true of Ghandi and Bhagat Singh's India, as it was for ANC (or MK) and Mandela's South Africa. The Israelis have little motivation to come to the negotiating table towards a di…

I think it was Thomas Friedman who said this, if the Palestinians resort to terror attacks, Israel will just use that to attack them more. They remain silent, and they will just go on building settlements. Either way they will lose. Gandhi's non violence movement was successful because he won the PR war by a very heavy margin. Greatest intellectuals of his time were writing essays on him, images of a thin old man, we…

Post by anthonyb » Sat, Nov 17, 2012, 10:38 AM UTC

eitland wrote: post #48

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You are not disputing that they are bombing a densely populated area. You are saying that they have to take precautions because they are bombing a heavily populated area.

Still they are rather humane compared to their enemy who is actively targeting civilians. And have been doing that so for years. What is your solution to this conflict that doesn't include wiping the only national state for the Israeli people, created by UN, off the map? Hamas has been quite clear there will be no lasting peace until that has happened as far as I know. (Full disclosure: I don't read arabic so I'm hav…