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What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

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Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

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Post by [deleted] »

streptomycin wrote: post #136
mcantelon wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>concluding "don't build anything for Twitter" is just throwing a temper tantrum. Not really. They led people on, over the years, into building on their API. People spent a lot of time and money building Twitter clients. Then they pulled the rug out. Why would you build anything using an API that could get arbitrarily locked down in the future?

But the rug was pulled out well before anyone was thinking about writing Windows 8 app. And you build with proprietary APIs because that's where the users are. You can make a StatusNet client with no worries, but nobody will care.

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Post by dpeck »

I'm amazed we haven't seen some developer say screw it and build thing using Twitters own keys. There have been multiple instances of them being published over the last couple of years, and I'm having trouble seeing what incentive a dev has not to just use them.

If you're working against Twitters interest already then why not go for broke?

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

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Post by uptown »

zmmmmm wrote: post #159
uptown wrote: post #38

Aside from pissing off Twitter, and possibly getting a cease and desist, what's preventing developers from building a translator that sits between Twitter's web layer and their native application client? Couldn't something be developed that loads Twitter into a hidden webview that's locally scraped for the purpose of re-display however the developer pleases on their client? This implementation wouldn't require the to…

> But I suppose they'd just wind up getting sued You answered your own question. People seem to be under the impression that just because something is accessible with a web browser it no longer falls under copyright and you can use it how you want. This has never been true. Any web site can make a terms of use (and most do) that prohibit you scraping their data.

So what about user style-sheets? They modify the appearance of the data, but I've never seen anyone sued over it. Nobody sues IE for rendering HTML differently. In this case it'd just be another 'browser'.

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Post by javajosh »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #156
javajosh wrote: post #129

Goddamn, I've never seen a clearer example of the colloquial term "butt hurt". Twitter is a company, they built something, they support it, they have the right to control it, and they have arbitrary rights over it. More tellingly, they have a very good point. It reminds me of the craigslist haters, and my response to them. I don't hate craigslist for stopping third parties from using their data because, frankly, it h…

A company builds an API and encourages lots of developers to use it across a wide variety of projects, and they do. After achieving almost unprecedented success in user adoption, the company decides to unilaterally change their terms to say, "From this day on, not only do we want you to use our API only in ways that drive value to us, we're not really down with you getting any value in return beyond whatever value be…

I don't know, I think it's stupid to allow any private company to control the worlds data, as Twitter, Facebook, and to some extent Google are attempting to do. To expect these for-profit companies to act in any way other than "unilaterally" is naive. If you think that they violated the terms of service, then you should sue them for fraud - or if that's too expensive, make it clear that you think they are engaging in fraud.

Actually my message is this: build for the open web, and only the open web! There is a lot of room in that space. Personally, I think that Twitter will go bye bye and Facebook is going to get eroded by it. But that's my personal belief.

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

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Post by modarts »

dkersten wrote: post #153
Firehed wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hardly. I find Twitter's official clients' UIs atrocious, and happily paid for a third-party's implementation with roughly the same functionality (TweetBot, if you care). I don't find data mining of mostly-mundane content terribly interesting, with the exception of people posting photos of their debit cards ( https://twitter.com/needadebitcard )

WTF? Why do people post photos of their debit cards online?!?

Haha, glad to see I wasn't the only one shocked by that. That's pretty incredible actually.

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Post by Firehed »

modarts wrote: post #165
dkersten wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WTF? Why do people post photos of their debit cards online?!?

Haha, glad to see I wasn't the only one shocked by that. That's pretty incredible actually.

That's nothing compared to when one of the issuing banks @replied to the person doing it, telling them to remember to set up online account access.

Yes, I'm serious.

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

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Post by pteredactyl »

javajosh wrote: post #164
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A company builds an API and encourages lots of developers to use it across a wide variety of projects, and they do. After achieving almost unprecedented success in user adoption, the company decides to unilaterally change their terms to say, "From this day on, not only do we want you to use our API only in ways that drive value to us, we're not really down with you getting any value in return beyond whatever value be…

I don't know, I think it's stupid to allow any private company to control the worlds data, as Twitter, Facebook, and to some extent Google are attempting to do. To expect these for-profit companies to act in any way other than "unilaterally" is naive. If you think that they violated the terms of service, then you should sue them for fraud - or if that's too expensive, make it clear that you think they are engaging in…

I blame Wall Street. Endless growth ($), forever.

I like the open web you allude to. However, bills gotta get paid.

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

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Post by pteredactyl »

fbuilesv wrote: post #47
rubynerd wrote: post #36

I agree with the "Don't build anything for twitter" motto (and it would look good on a t-shirt), but part of me wonders if twitter could get by charging 25 cents a token past 100k, so developing apps is still possible, and twitter still gets its slice of the pie. Although, it still kills the advertising cash cow.

I've always wondered why Twitter doesn't do something like this. Why wouldn't they change their rules to something like: Once you have more than 100k users you pay us 5-10% of every copy of your software sold. If your app's free then you don't pay anything. I'm pretty sure developers would agree to something like this and Twitter could get some extra money that they're not getting right now.

Yea, that's not a bad idea. But who knows what their actual revenue or capital situation is. Just like Facebook, transparency is an issue.

I participate in these services, but I know full well whatever I post is market research.

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

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Post by babesh »

How would you compare the Twitter ecosystem to how the Facebook ecosystem is doing lately? Seems that Facebook sign on/identity is doing well. Seems that the Facebook hosted apps are increasingly less relevant than apps just getting sign on and possibly newsfeed flow? Twitter ecosystem seems pretty much destroyed. Tweeting and Facebook newsfeed seem to be doing fine.
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