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Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by samplatt »

mingus88 wrote: post #98
smotched wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what telemetry are you worried about if you're already sharing your exact location at all times (navigation)

I’m not OP but I just want to point out that navigation doesn’t need to mean I am always sharing telemetry with multiple third parties I have a garmin watch which is great for overland hiking, multiple day expeditions etc I download the maps and the watch has GPS to plot where I am on that map. My watch doesn’t have an eSIM at all. Rivian is an adventure brand so if they wanted to design a maps system like that, wher…

It's telling just how completely successful the social media revolution has been, when we don't remember that two short decades ago 3rd-party car navigation options that relied on maps loaded on the device and GPS input and that's all. No SIM cards (though they could have done so at the time), no telemetry.

The experience was even comparable to today's experience - I've been auto-routed around a road closure, like, twice in 5 years? And it _failed_ to route me around a road closure probably twice as well?

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by rootusrootus »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #217
rootusrootus wrote: post #210

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There are a number of basic EVs that have no more telemetry than the equivalent ICEV. Someone with the requirements you outline is not in the market for any new car, regardless of powertrain.

What are these on the us market?

The boring ones. Things like Bolt, Niro, Equinox, Lightning, etc. Not every EV is like Tesla.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by codedokode »

Internet-connected cars are a national security issue when manufacturers are from one country (A) and consumer is in another country (B). For example, the President of country A might wake up in a bad mood and order to disable all A-manufactured cars in B until they reconsider the trade deal. Or, he might order to collect geolocation, plugged for charging smartphone data, audio and video recordings from cars in B belonging to military personnel.

Smart cars can record street views, location of WiFi access points and GSM towers, and this data is useful for guiding missiles and drones when GPS is being jammed.

And how can we deal with this? Inspections on import? Country-level DPI to block data exfiltration? But DPI is not perfect because there are obfuscation and VPNs. And today we have Starlinks as well, which are difficult to block. Except from banning foreign smart cars altogether, there seems to be no simple solution. Or maybe oblige the manufacturer to use local computer boards and software when importing cars?

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Post by Silhouette »

traderj0e wrote: post #139

Props to them. I'm holding onto an old car partially cause of this. Aside from semi theoretical problems like privacy and attack vectors, car tech is constantly annoying.

Are either privacy breaches or remote attacks really still in any way theoretical dangers? There have been numerous demonstrations of vehicles or their occupants being monitored, disrupted, or stolen as a direct result of the modern remote/online tech they usually come with now. I know quite a few people - myself included - who are wary of buying any new car that has all this junk tech built in and prefer to stick with older models for now.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by brokenmachine »

dylan604 wrote: post #181
bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

What ever happened to take it to a dealer or authorized repair place to have it done? While I may be willing to take certain things apart that, the one thing in life I have resisted is any kind of monkeying with my car. There are certain things where I'm willing to accept that I took it apart and it no longer works because I bricked it, shorted something, or otherwise damaged it beyond my skill set to undo. My car is…

The perfect modern consumer/sucker...

My car needed another key. The stealership quoted me >$400 for it. I took it as a personal insult and did the research and ordered an OBD device and also discovered you can order replacement keys on aliexpress, and they'll even cut them for you with a good picture of your existing key. It was actually a fun project and very satisfying when I was able to successfully program and link the RFID chip to the ECU to start the engine.

May not be feasible with more locked-down modern cars which I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole, but I was able to fix it for about $150, not including my time of course. But I have the OBD device to use next time now as well.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by dghlsakjg »

reaperducer wrote: post #124
karlgkk wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As someone who got into a rollover accident which ended with my car upside down on a freeway, hearing only the onstar person talking to me while half conscious, this is sad. My phone does this now. Most phones do it now.

My phone does this now. Most phones do it now. Only if it hasn't been crushed, damaged, or otherwise flung out of the vehicle that crashed so violently that it's actually upside down, as noted in the original comment.

The same is true of the cell phone hardware built into the vehicle that is crashed and upside down.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by dghlsakjg »

mingus88 wrote: post #86
bri3d wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the "advanced" LKAS on Rivian only works on highways and relies on an "up to date" geofencing database, so that's the first-order technical reason. And I'm sure they don't exactly prioritize fixing or altering that behavior for the other reason.

This is a safety issue. I don’t think there is a “fix” for offline lane assistance that they are sitting on do avoid people from disabling telemetry The gen 1 system uses cameras primarily. It’s not awesome lidar or AI. It needs up to date road information. I’ve been driving down I-5, a major interstate and had it turn off on me, presumably because I hit a dead spot, as conditions were fine and I5 is one of the most…

Can LIDAR see lane markings? I would have thought that was computer vision only.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by dylan604 »

wholinator2 wrote: post #208
dylan604 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What ever happened to take it to a dealer or authorized repair place to have it done? While I may be willing to take certain things apart that, the one thing in life I have resisted is any kind of monkeying with my car. There are certain things where I'm willing to accept that I took it apart and it no longer works because I bricked it, shorted something, or otherwise damaged it beyond my skill set to undo. My car is…

Some people like messing with cars. They take the time to understand what's happening and learn the process and pitfalls. Hobbyists wiil never be as good as trained professionally but we can still get the job done. I went through the trouble to diagnose and replace a bad alternator on my civic after the battery started dying too fast. I did it cause it was fun. The other reason i did it is because the dealership and…

Some how, we've changed the direction of the conversation to something you lost vs a software update to the brains of the car. I'm guessing just to make the obvious point the dealership is not the cheapest place for repair.??? This isn't change the tire or get an oil change. This is something a consumer has deliberately done to prevent the manufacture from making an OTA software update. These are the kinds of changes that I want someone available right then and there to be responsible if the update borked the car.
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