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Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by red369 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #175
afh1 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Main reason why I will never buy an EV, and keep driving my Internet-free Honda until it dies, which will likely be after me.

nothing about this has anything to do with EVs

I think the GP was talking about the fact it is hard to find an EV that is bundled with a lot of invasive software.

There's another post on this article asking for an EV that doesn't: "need internet connectivity via wifi/esim at all? I'm looking for something really simple. A chassis, four wheels, an engine, airbags. Basically my current ICE car, just electric."

I'm hoping that they get a lot of good suggestions, but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by freeopinion »

rmunn wrote: post #145
bri3d wrote: post #125

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WiFi is, err, still OTA, although it does answer the eSIM question. I assume the truly concerned/paranoid wouldn't want to connect to WiFi either, since presumably telemetry / tracking metadata could be uploaded at that time too.

Anyone concerned about preventing telemetry from being uploaded would probably also be concerned about taking it to the dealer for an update, though. Because how do you know the dealer won't just do an update by turning the car's e-SIM back on, then turning it off before giving the car back to you? Which would then allow the car to upload all the stored telemetry you're concerned about. (Note: generic "you" meaning "…

This is the exact mindset that has amused me for years with computers. People use an OS with which they have a seriously hostile relationship. Why would you continue to pay a lot of money for a product you consider to be your adversary?

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by freeopinion »

red369 wrote: post #201
rootusrootus wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

nothing about this has anything to do with EVs

I think the GP was talking about the fact it is hard to find an EV that is bundled with a lot of invasive software. There's another post on this article asking for an EV that doesn't: "need internet connectivity via wifi/esim at all? I'm looking for something really simple. A chassis, four wheels, an engine, airbags. Basically my current ICE car, just electric." I'm hoping that they get a lot of good suggestions, but…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47865868

^^ Not EV, but... :)

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by m463 »

__fst__ wrote: post #176

Are there any electric cars that don't need internet connectivity via wifi/esim at all? I'm looking for something really simple. A chassis, four wheels, an engine, airbags. Basically my current ICE car, just electric.

I read the upcoming slate truck might be that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_Truck

https://www.slate.auto

Unlike most vehicles sold in the United States, the Slate Truck is not expected to have any in-car entertainment system; instead, customers are expected to use their own mobile device for audio streaming, navigation, and over-the-air updates for their trucks.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by rkagerer »

bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

...do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA?

Of course they do. It would be absolutely silly not to. And in the case of safety recalls, their duty to inform you would entail a more traditional and substantiated disclosure i.e. a letter.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by biztos »

bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

I wonder what happens if they issue a recall that you want to refuse.

What if they did the EV equivalent of Dieselgate[1]? Say it has a dangerous amount of torque or something, but you like that.

Could you just turn off the network and keep it in the desired (unsupported) state?

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by wholinator2 »

dylan604 wrote: post #181
bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

What ever happened to take it to a dealer or authorized repair place to have it done? While I may be willing to take certain things apart that, the one thing in life I have resisted is any kind of monkeying with my car. There are certain things where I'm willing to accept that I took it apart and it no longer works because I bricked it, shorted something, or otherwise damaged it beyond my skill set to undo. My car is…

Some people like messing with cars. They take the time to understand what's happening and learn the process and pitfalls. Hobbyists wiil never be as good as trained professionally but we can still get the job done. I went through the trouble to diagnose and replace a bad alternator on my civic after the battery started dying too fast. I did it cause it was fun.

The other reason i did it is because the dealership and other shops quoted me over 10 times the cost of parts, and I literally did not have the money to take them up should i have wanted to. Car maintenance is expensive, _especially_ at the dealership.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by thaeli »

babypuncher wrote: post #42
johnea wrote: post #18

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So why would you prefer goggle's "control the user experience" power-tripping, to rivian's? I'd much rather side with the company that was willing to allow the user to disable net connectivity...

Ideally, they would support Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. There are a few big reasons this is preferable. - I already pay for internet on my phone, I'm not interested in paying for another cellular service just to get maps and music streaming on the screen in my car. GM ditched CarPlay specifically to push customers to their subscription service. I know some electric automakers are offering it "for free", but I do…

Also, my phone follows me between vehicles and provides the exact same interface in all of them. Heck, I can switch vehicles and my podcast or music starts back up right where I left it. That alone is a major win for the phone-based approach - if I drive my spouse's vehicle for instance, or my old truck because I need to haul something, doesn't matter, they all have the same navigation and audio.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by rootusrootus »

red369 wrote: post #201
rootusrootus wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

nothing about this has anything to do with EVs

I think the GP was talking about the fact it is hard to find an EV that is bundled with a lot of invasive software. There's another post on this article asking for an EV that doesn't: "need internet connectivity via wifi/esim at all? I'm looking for something really simple. A chassis, four wheels, an engine, airbags. Basically my current ICE car, just electric." I'm hoping that they get a lot of good suggestions, but…

There are a number of basic EVs that have no more telemetry than the equivalent ICEV.

Someone with the requirements you outline is not in the market for any new car, regardless of powertrain.

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