Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

thenextweb.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

91–100 of 158 posts

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#91

Post by maratd »

kamaal wrote: post #86
maratd wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found a problem with your argument. Nobody is sending F-16s to bomb "helpless crowds". Only rocket launching sites.

And that kills kids, and UN inspectors and civilians. And of course these rocket launchers are wrong too, needless to say their rockets kill kids and civilians too.

Ok, we're moving somewhere. If the F-16s didn't exist, the rockets would still kill all those children. But if the rockets didn't exist, the F-16s wouldn't kill any children! I think we just figured out the solution to the conflict!

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#92

Post by mkr-hn »

maratd wrote: post #91
kamaal wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that kills kids, and UN inspectors and civilians. And of course these rocket launchers are wrong too, needless to say their rockets kill kids and civilians too.

Ok, we're moving somewhere. If the F-16s didn't exist, the rockets would still kill all those children. But if the rockets didn't exist, the F-16s wouldn't kill any children! I think we just figured out the solution to the conflict!

> use ROCKET on F-16

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#93

Post by subsystem »

aes256 wrote: post #72
AtlasLion wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, they should have special military bases, and while at it, give the IDF the exact coordinates. That should help their cause a lot.

The effectiveness of using civilians as human shields does not justify the practice.

I agree. Sadly the IDF doesn't.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm

http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-to-ask-high-court-to-review-...

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/israel3/israel0502-06.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/mar/09/israel

http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_5644167

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6554487.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8151336.stm

http://www.haaretz.com/news/two-idf-soldiers-charged-with-us...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/11/world/main2674604....

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#94

Post by maratd »

mkr-hn wrote: post #92
maratd wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, we're moving somewhere. If the F-16s didn't exist, the rockets would still kill all those children. But if the rockets didn't exist, the F-16s wouldn't kill any children! I think we just figured out the solution to the conflict!

> use ROCKET on F-16

That works too.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#95

Post by MichaelSalib »

maratd wrote: post #84
hkrr wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny comparison. Let me try mine : If Canada was no country but a territory where people were denied the right to have a state to live in, and if they were launching rockets at the US, I think the US would colonize Toronto and declare the city part of the US. Wait no, I don't.

> where people were denied the right to have a state to live in You realize Hamas was voted in, right? 1. Elected government? Check. 2. Borders? Check. They have a state. Not being formally recognized in the UN is just that ... a formality.

Can they control what goes through those borders? Can they control what happens in the airspace above their territory? Do they have a seat at the UN?

The answer is no to all 3.

Question: if I want to fly into Gaza, whose permission do I need? Hamas' permission is clearly insufficient: the IDF will shoot down any plane landing there. So they're not at all an independent state.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#96

Post by gadders »

scarmig wrote: post #81
gadders wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you can also draw a distinction between deliberately targetting civilians and doing all you can to avoid hitting them.

Doing all you can to avoid hitting them except, say, not launching missiles in the vicinity of their houses. I get it: Hamas is a morally monstrous organization. I agree with that wholeheartedly. But there's such a thing as proportionate response. For every Israeli civilian that's killed, many more (greater than 10, at the least) Palestinian civilians are killed. The fact that Hamas is barbaric and doesn't have laser…

I don't think they are being barbaric, though. They are launching pinpoint strikes, and doing all they can to avoid civilian casualties. Hamas is deliberately hiding amongst their own civilians to generate casualties.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#97

Post by gadders »

kamaal wrote: post #82

As an Indian and somebody who studied the non violence moment of Gandhi both in South Africa and India. I can talk about the nature of political movements, I studied in quite a great detail. Even in India, the nature of non violence movement was not completely non violent- Its true that non violence came as a overwhelming force for the British. But the British did deal and perceive violent revolutionary sources as a…

Slightly off-topic: I read somewhere once that Ghandi advised German Jewish Leaders that they should have tried his tactic of non-violence against the Nazis. I think they replied that the British Empire, although wrong, weren't monsters like the Nazis.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#98

Post by kript »

aes256 wrote: post #69
pyre wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You said: > As a civilian, it is not difficult to avoid those > targets. Then you said: > It's a large-scale armed conflict. Civilians are > going to get caught in the crossfire. If it's not so hard for civilians to avoid these areas, then why is it inevitable that they be caught in the crossfire? The idea that Israel is somehow free of 'blood on their hands' because they try to warn people to leave the area for the…

> If it's not so hard to civilians to avoid these areas, then why is it inevitable that they be caught in the crossfire? Nothing is perfect. Equipment malfunctions, mistaken intel, and human error can all lead to civilian casualties, despite the best precautions.

Shut up idiot!.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#99

Post by deadbea7 »

kamaal wrote: post #82

As an Indian and somebody who studied the non violence moment of Gandhi both in South Africa and India. I can talk about the nature of political movements, I studied in quite a great detail. Even in India, the nature of non violence movement was not completely non violent- Its true that non violence came as a overwhelming force for the British. But the British did deal and perceive violent revolutionary sources as a…

> Even in India, the nature of non violence movement was not completely non violent

It's difficult, if not impossible, for non-violent movements to succeed without the existence of credible threat of violence. Sad, but generally true. This was true of Ghandi and Bhagat Singh's India, as it was for ANC (or MK) and Mandela's South Africa.

The Israelis have little motivation to come to the negotiating table towards a diplomatic solution because the threat of violence against them is not credible enough to act as a deterrent. It is rational for Israel to not show restraint and act in the most aggressive manner possible.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

#100

Post by maratd »

MichaelSalib wrote: post #95
maratd wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where people were denied the right to have a state to live in You realize Hamas was voted in, right? 1. Elected government? Check. 2. Borders? Check. They have a state. Not being formally recognized in the UN is just that ... a formality.

Can they control what goes through those borders? Can they control what happens in the airspace above their territory? Do they have a seat at the UN? The answer is no to all 3. Question: if I want to fly into Gaza, whose permission do I need? Hamas' permission is clearly insufficient: the IDF will shoot down any plane landing there. So they're not at all an independent state.

Being under embargo/blockade is not the same as having no state. When the US did the same to Cuba 50 years ago, Cuba didn't magically disappear or become invalid.

Do you know why the US did that to Cuba? They were smuggling missiles in. See a pattern there?

Post reply on HN