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Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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If Toronto were launching rockets at Detroit, I think the US would strike a staging area, even if some civilians were in the way.

Extrapolate this over decades. Obviously striking the staging areas isn't having the intended effect because the conflict continues.

Unless the intended effect isn't to end the conflict but rather to reduce the amount of rockets fired at Detroit.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Of course Hamas could always stop intentionally putting rocket launchers by playgrounds. But that wouldn't suit their agenda.

yeah, they should have special military bases, and while at it, give the IDF the exact coordinates. That should help their cause a lot.

The effectiveness of using civilians as human shields does not justify the practice.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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1 sided of what? attacking innocent civillians? When did ever Israel listen to the world?

1 sided view of the conflict. So are you claiming Hamas is innocent here? That they aren't attacking innoccent civilians?

Your responses just sound like the older sibling pointing at the younger sibling and saying, "but he was doing it too!"

To some extent someone has to stand up and be the adult in this conflict. Heavy-handed responses to Palestinian bombs hasn't ended this conflict in the past, and I see no reason that it will do so in the future. I don't have a solution to the conflict, but acting like Israeli responses of this kind are somehow part of a reasonable response aimed at ending this conflict doesn't make sense.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Still they are rather humane compared to their enemy who is actively targeting civilians. And have been doing that so for years. What is your solution to this conflict that doesn't include wiping the only national state for the Israeli people, created by UN, off the map? Hamas has been quite clear there will be no lasting peace until that has happened as far as I know. (Full disclosure: I don't read arabic so I'm hav…

Both the parties are to blame here. Killings can't be justified no matter who does it. Its has to stop, terrorizing civilians in large cities is as much a cowardly act as much sending F-16s to bomb a helpless crowd.

I found a problem with your argument. Nobody is sending F-16s to bomb "helpless crowds". Only rocket launching sites.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Anonymous deserves our kudos on this one. It's true that these dbs may have backups, but as the world just watches, it's nice to see someone at least trying to put Israel's feet to the fire in the capacity they can.

How about putting Hamas' feet to the fire? They have been condemned by human rights groups for widespread arrests, torture, and killing of their political opponents in Gaza. They have simply been terrible for the Palestinian people. Besides suppressing political opposition, they also purposefully try to launch attacks from heavily populated civilian areas hoping that the civilians will end up acting as human shields.

Same has been with Israel, there were more than 50 UN resolutions voted against Israel, all of them vetoed by the USA.

Edit: And if you want to quote talk about Human rights organisations, you should also talk about what they say about Israel. A sample: http://www.hrw.org/world-report-2012/world-report-2012-israe...

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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If Toronto were launching rockets at Detroit, I think the US would strike a staging area, even if some civilians were in the way.

Funny comparison. Let me try mine : If Canada was no country but a territory where people were denied the right to have a state to live in, and if they were launching rockets at the US, I think the US would colonize Toronto and declare the city part of the US. Wait no, I don't.

Wait, let me try:

"If Canada was no country but a territory where people were denied the right to have a state to live in,"

To make it even more alike the situation, then, we should say if these were people living in Seattle who are illegal aliens from Central America living there because they were kicked out of their refugee camps in Mexico...

"and if they were launching rockets at the US"

Let's say from Seattle at Redmond instead, with restricted access points from Seattle because occasionally they keep trying to destroy Redmond.

"I think the US would colonize Toronto and declare the city part of the US. Wait no, I don't."

And instead of the US as we know it, let's say the US is just the I-5 corridor from Portland, OR, to Everett, WA. And let's transplant all that area into, say, the neighborhood of Nicaragua or Panama. And let's say all the surrounding countries have declared that the people who live around Redmond must be pushed into the sea. They don't want the people in Seattle who used to live in their countries to move back into their countries; no, they want to help them destroy all the Americans.

What would happen? Redmond would launch the Surface.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Still they are rather humane compared to their enemy who is actively targeting civilians. And have been doing that so for years. What is your solution to this conflict that doesn't include wiping the only national state for the Israeli people, created by UN, off the map? Hamas has been quite clear there will be no lasting peace until that has happened as far as I know. (Full disclosure: I don't read arabic so I'm hav…

sorry, but when you look at civilian death rate and compare both sides the story is very different. whatever measures the IDF claims it is taking, it clearly isn't working. Edit: As for a solution, read "the General's Son" by Miko Peled. The Son of an Israeli General http://mikopeled.com/category/the-generals-son-by-miko-peled...

> sorry, but when you look at civilian death rate and compare both sides the story is very different. whatever measures the IDF claims it is taking, it clearly isn't working.

In what sense is it not working? According to the latest figures, more than 500 targets have been hit, with 19 combatants and 10 civilians killed.

In most comparable conflicts, the number of civilian casualties far outnumbers the number of combatant casualties.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Well, bombing the Gaza Strip is clearly working. The conflict is all but over. Oh wait...

It has been proven helpful in reducing the amount of rockets fired at Israeli civillans[1]. I'll repeat the above question, what's your solution? [1] Number of rockets fired from Gaza Strip to Israel over time; a similar operation took place in December 2008 http://sonoflaser.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/%D7%A9%D7%9...

So you see it an acceptable to slaughter 1,417 Palestinians, for the "feeling" of safety of Israelis. Palestinians on the other hand, shouldn't expect any safety or dignity.

And again, read this book if you really are thinking about a solution. http://mikopeled.com/category/the-generals-son-by-miko-peled...

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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1) These script kiddies are not Anonymous; 2) The majority of the sites affected appear to be hosted with a single company; 3) If any of the deleted databases held important information, there will be backups. Edit: 4) The leaked passwords appear to be site-specific; all are six characters long, around a third of them are '123456'

> 1) These script kiddies are not Anonymous; So what are their names then ? /s

This is a great comment. I can't believe people are thick skulled enough to not understand this concept.
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