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Ron Paul’s Farewell Address: The Internet Can Stop Big Government

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Re: Ron Paul’s Farewell Address: The Internet Can Stop Big Government

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Post by saraid216 »

cpr wrote: post #18
bithive123 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ron Paul wants to define life as starting at conception ( http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.2597: ), build a fence along the US-Mexico border ( http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll446.xml ), prevent the Supreme Court from hearing cases on the Establishment Clause or the right to privacy, permitting the return of sodomy laws and the like (a bill which he has repeatedly re-introduced) ( http://thomas.loc.g…

You make all these points as if it's self-evident ("to all right-thinking peoples", "no one here but us...") that he's dead wrong about them. That's not very helpful. Of course human life begins at conception--what is the combined human egg & sperm, a fish? And what's so great about NATO? The US should bear the brunt of the cost of defending Europe against whom now, exactly? The Federal Reserve came into being the sa…

Was there an edit in the GP? Your quoted phrases do not seem to appear in any of the parent comments.

Re: Ron Paul’s Farewell Address: The Internet Can Stop Big Government

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Post by saraid216 »

wyclif wrote: post #19
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #10

Way to pander to Reddit.

Sorry, that's not very compelling. Would you call the thousands of other TechCrunch posts that are auto-submitted to HN "pandering to Reddit"? I regret to inform you that my nerdy Ron Paul advocacy will continue unabated. Reddit has nothing to do with it.

Maybe he's saying Ron Paul was pandering to Reddit. I really can't tell.

Re: Ron Paul’s Farewell Address: The Internet Can Stop Big Government

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Post by mkr-hn »

mtgx wrote: post #20
wyclif wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind this was his Farewell Address. He was going to get his licks in, esp. that bit about "psychopathic authoritarians" (which I took to include the other members of Congress). There was absolutely no reason or incentive for him to make it shorter than the allotted time he had. Ron Paul is the only US politician I've ever wanted to cross the street for. I'm hoping his youth movement produces more leaders who…

Hopefully the Republicans let the libertarians take over the party by the next election, as that would probably be the only thing to make the Republican look good again. Otherwise, good riddance for the Republican party.

Do you have evidence that any form of libertarianism has a meaningful amount of support? And can it contend with the stigma developed by the insane and vocal form most people have seen?

Re: Ron Paul’s Farewell Address: The Internet Can Stop Big Government

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Post by wyclif »

thesagan wrote: post #8
wyclif wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind this was his Farewell Address. He was going to get his licks in, esp. that bit about "psychopathic authoritarians" (which I took to include the other members of Congress). There was absolutely no reason or incentive for him to make it shorter than the allotted time he had. Ron Paul is the only US politician I've ever wanted to cross the street for. I'm hoping his youth movement produces more leaders who…

He's one of the few politicians of that caliber where I think he's both batshit crazy while being a force for good (?) in the public sphere. I don't really know what to make of the man.

Precisely what part of Ron Paul's policies are "batshit crazy", hmmm?

Which policies, specifically? Not wanting to fund wars and nation-building in other countries? Not picking sides in foreign revolutions, operating drone wars in other countries, assassinating American citizens and maintaining a secret "kill list" without any congressional approval? Wanting to close down Guantanamo Bay? Vetoing legislation that is unconstitutional and which violates our civil rights like the PATRIOT Act and NDAA? Not wanting to maintain the security theater that is TSA?

Hell, if that's batshit crazy, then sign me up. In fact, open up one of my veins and mainline it right into my bloodstream. Because if that's crazy, America needs more of it instead of the status quo "sanity" that results in $16 trillion in unfunded liabilities, TARP, banker bailouts, Dodd-Frank, corporate welfare, the failed drug war, and continued violation of the civil liberties of ordinary citizens.

Re: Ron Paul’s Farewell Address: The Internet Can Stop Big Government

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Post by jswinghammer »

saraid216 wrote: post #21
cpr wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make all these points as if it's self-evident ("to all right-thinking peoples", "no one here but us...") that he's dead wrong about them. That's not very helpful. Of course human life begins at conception--what is the combined human egg & sperm, a fish? And what's so great about NATO? The US should bear the brunt of the cost of defending Europe against whom now, exactly? The Federal Reserve came into being the sa…

Was there an edit in the GP? Your quoted phrases do not seem to appear in any of the parent comments.

It seems like he was responding to various points in the post by restating them. The post he was replying to was just listing a bunch of things he doesn't like, not defending his reasons for not liking them. I'm impressed anyone took the time to detangle any of that mess.

Re: Ron Paul’s Farewell Address: The Internet Can Stop Big Government

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Post by dubfan »

SpikeDad wrote: post #12

The Internet was vital in exposing his naive and harmful behavior. His hypocritical pronouncements and racist background would never have come to the public without it. Don't let Washington hit your ass on the way out.

Don't you know? Ron Paul is supposed to be the darling politician of hackers and nerds. You aren't allowed to say anything bad about him here.

Re: Ron Paul’s Farewell Address: The Internet Can Stop Big Government

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Post by wyclif »

saraid216 wrote: post #22
wyclif wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, that's not very compelling. Would you call the thousands of other TechCrunch posts that are auto-submitted to HN "pandering to Reddit"? I regret to inform you that my nerdy Ron Paul advocacy will continue unabated. Reddit has nothing to do with it.

Maybe he's saying Ron Paul was pandering to Reddit. I really can't tell.

Maybe I put "pandering to Reddit" in quotes to emphasize how ridiculous that is. Maybe people should stop referring to everything they dislike on HN as Reddit-pandering, replete with tinfoil hats.

Re: Ron Paul’s Farewell Address: The Internet Can Stop Big Government

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Post by smokeyj »

jlgreco wrote: post #28
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #10

Way to pander to Reddit.

Been there recently? Reddit, as far as you can say it "likes" or "dislikes" anything, does not like Paul.

Everyone hates him. He's too liberal for liberals and too conservative for conservatives.

Re: Ron Paul’s Farewell Address: The Internet Can Stop Big Government

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Post by slurgfest »

ataggart wrote: post #4
mixmastamyk wrote: post #2

The real thing: http://washingtonexaminer.com/transcript-ron-pauls-farewell-... Some great stuff in there, I just wish it was about half its length. Would tighten up the points a lot.

He's certainly letting his voluntarist-anarchist flag fly: "What a wonderful world it would be if everyone accepted the simple moral premise of rejecting all acts of aggression. The retort to such a suggestion is always: it’s too simplistic, too idealistic, impractical, naïve, utopian, dangerous, and unrealistic to strive for such an ideal. The answer to that is that for thousands of years the acceptance of governmen…

It is an oversimplification to think that Ron Paul's politics have been anti-governmental, because he has consistently stood up for states' rights, and state governments are governments.

Granting monopoly power to state governments to use aggression against the people would have resulted in the continued application of that aggression against slaves.

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