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Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

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post #19

I'm torn on this. It always should have gone through the courts, but the fact is that cloudflare are providing access to illegal content and not doing anything about it. They were left with two choices if Cloudflare refuse to act. Either accept it (oh well, too big to fail), or block them. I dislike what is happening but I kind of like that they don't care about the size of Cloudflare and hold them as accountable as…

It did go through the legal system. That’s what forces the block.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

#32

Context: last year LaLiga (top-level Spanish football league) obtained a court order compelling Spanish ISPs to block certain IPs during football matches, as those IPs have been associated with illegal streams of live matches. Many of those IPs are shared Cloudflare IPs, with the result being many legitimate sites become unavailable in Spain during LaLiga matches https://cybernews.com/news/spain-laliga-streaming-pira…

Maybe someone can explain, but I don't understand why such an order isn't applied to cloudflare themselves?

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

#33

I'm interested in how those conversations went between the LaLiga and Cloudflare that convinced them to do this. I know I'm not Cloudflare, but if a company (any company) came to me demanding blocking IP ranges according the their schedule that would require a bunch of work on my end to make it happen, there's going to be a lot of push back. It'd take a dump truck load of money to make that happen.

Cloudflare are apparently not involved. It's an order against local ISPs to block Cloudflare.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

#34
post #4

Finally. The situation is ridiculous and afaik it really didn't do anything to solve the piracy problem.

1000% I got legit Cloudflare Workers Anycast IPs that I was using for websockets blocked. I also got blocked from using RustDesk. It's been crazy. As this happens intermittently. I had to set up a tailscale exit node in one of my servers to circumvent this crap. I lost several days and called Vodafone (ISP) to understand what was going on. That's when I read Reddit and saw that crap.

I’m suprised no one has sued over it, some sort of class action.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

#35

I'm interested in how those conversations went between the LaLiga and Cloudflare that convinced them to do this. I know I'm not Cloudflare, but if a company (any company) came to me demanding blocking IP ranges according the their schedule that would require a bunch of work on my end to make it happen, there's going to be a lot of push back. It'd take a dump truck load of money to make that happen.

That's not how this worked. Cloudflare was not involved at all. Spanish ISPs were ordered by Spanish courts to block their customers from accessing specific IP addresses.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

#36
post #32

Context: last year LaLiga (top-level Spanish football league) obtained a court order compelling Spanish ISPs to block certain IPs during football matches, as those IPs have been associated with illegal streams of live matches. Many of those IPs are shared Cloudflare IPs, with the result being many legitimate sites become unavailable in Spain during LaLiga matches https://cybernews.com/news/spain-laliga-streaming-pira…

Maybe someone can explain, but I don't understand why such an order isn't applied to cloudflare themselves?

The state hasn't setup processes to enable that. It will happen

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

#37
post #19

I'm torn on this. It always should have gone through the courts, but the fact is that cloudflare are providing access to illegal content and not doing anything about it. They were left with two choices if Cloudflare refuse to act. Either accept it (oh well, too big to fail), or block them. I dislike what is happening but I kind of like that they don't care about the size of Cloudflare and hold them as accountable as…

It's unreasonable to expect cloudflare etc to be able to proactively identify legal vs illegal streams. The companies who own the copyrights can't even get that right much less a third party that has no idea if a stream is licensed.

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

#38

I'm interested in how those conversations went between the LaLiga and Cloudflare that convinced them to do this. I know I'm not Cloudflare, but if a company (any company) came to me demanding blocking IP ranges according the their schedule that would require a bunch of work on my end to make it happen, there's going to be a lot of push back. It'd take a dump truck load of money to make that happen.

No conversation at all needed to happen. LaLiga got a court order. The order specifically stated that if LaLiga flag your IP address, the internet providers in Spain must block it during the match. Cloudflare have nothing to do with it.

Who could have forseen, that LaLiga would end up abusing this system!?

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

#39
post #19

I'm torn on this. It always should have gone through the courts, but the fact is that cloudflare are providing access to illegal content and not doing anything about it. They were left with two choices if Cloudflare refuse to act. Either accept it (oh well, too big to fail), or block them. I dislike what is happening but I kind of like that they don't care about the size of Cloudflare and hold them as accountable as…

How much of a responsibility should the provider have to scan what they're hosting and proactively make a judgment on whether they should block it or not?

Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga

#40

I'm interested in how those conversations went between the LaLiga and Cloudflare that convinced them to do this. I know I'm not Cloudflare, but if a company (any company) came to me demanding blocking IP ranges according the their schedule that would require a bunch of work on my end to make it happen, there's going to be a lot of push back. It'd take a dump truck load of money to make that happen.

Cloudflare are very much pushing back: https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/official-statement-in-rela...
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