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Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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Post by bsenftner »

DaSHacka wrote: post #51
kilroy123 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The young kids I know who are into tech love AI. Albeit this is from a small sample size.

Funnily enough, most of the young people I know fall somewhere between those two sides of the spectrum. I know some actual luddite-tier AI haters that believe it's ontologically evil, and another majoring in Data Science that went to the most recent career fair and told a recruiter "AI will replace you" (I uh don't think he's getting that internship) And of course many, many, others that fall between the two extremes…

I'm a member of a political action committee, where I was brought in as an expert in professional media applications of AI. I've got extensive experience using AI tools in the production of well known entertainment properties (think VFX for film and animation.) Anyway, within the political action committee where is a diverse mixture of people, with about 1/5th of them under age 30. The entire under age 30 set are so AI negative, to such an irrational degree, I have been asked to do nothing and offer no advice that incorporates any technology at all. They are so paranoid. In a not really emotional discussion, a bunch of them erupted in tears, they are so irrational about it.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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Post by hmokiguess »

The nice thing about open protocols is that we don't have to endorse or use one implementation over another, yet, somehow, the browser monopoly continues to be a standing dilemma.

There are nice projects, like ungoogled chromium, tor, and many more, but I find the biggest issue is that there isn't a voice out there for the average person and a project that connects with the masses.

I think another issue is that a lot of the uninformed users have a strong apathy for the causes and ways the message is delivered, they rather engage and connect with things that are "fun" and want less friction rather than freedom and control.

How do we solve this? How do we make the browser ours, by the people, and for the people?

Sorry, I'm just sad whenever I think of this.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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Post by jedimastert »

ilaksh wrote: post #65
dannyw wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t Mozilla taking a stance against AI. It’s them articulating clear and logical reasons why the proposed API, in its current state, is bad for web interoperability.

Did they propose a specific alternative (non-extension) API?

Why would they? This is an issue put up on the "standards-position" repo. They requested a position on a proposed standard, and Mozilla gave it.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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Post by ilaksh »

jaffathecake wrote: post #50
austin-cheney wrote: post #40

I wonder if this is a generational thing of fresh young people that already cannot live without LLMs versus crusty old people that don’t want to require a super computer just to run a web browser that violates all their privacy. To me this sounds like the point where people start looking at and developing alternatives to the browser/web.

I think the objection here is unrelated to the love or hate of LLMs. It's about the viability of this particular proposed open web API. I personally use LLMs for coding assistance, and some home automation stuff, but I do not think this particular API is good for the web.

Meaning you do not want text generation in the web API at all, or you think the prompt API needs to be different? And if so can you give one sentence on how it should change?

https://github.com/runvnc/tersenet

If you glance at that then you may see that I am for the idea of leaner alternatives to the current web platform.

But in the context of the existing web API which has just about everything and the whole kitchen sink in it (hundreds of sub-APIs), I do not think it will really help anyone at this point just just stop adding features, especially major ones.

The web is basically an overlay operating system and has been for many years.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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Post by tokai »

austin-cheney wrote: post #68
archargelod wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Young people love AI when it helps them cheat homework, or when used for roleplay and memes. Generating "content" with AI - is generally more hated, especially art and video.

Sounds hypocritical.

I hate knives cause they kill people, but I love my kitchen knife when I make dinner.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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Post by matheusmoreira »

hmokiguess wrote: post #72

The nice thing about open protocols is that we don't have to endorse or use one implementation over another, yet, somehow, the browser monopoly continues to be a standing dilemma. There are nice projects, like ungoogled chromium, tor, and many more, but I find the biggest issue is that there isn't a voice out there for the average person and a project that connects with the masses. I think another issue is that a lot…

> How do we solve this? How do we make the browser ours, by the people, and for the people?

Simple. Break up all the big tech corporations via anti-trust legislation. They are the robber barons of our time.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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Post by madeofpalk »

ilaksh wrote: post #65
dannyw wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t Mozilla taking a stance against AI. It’s them articulating clear and logical reasons why the proposed API, in its current state, is bad for web interoperability.

Did they propose a specific alternative (non-extension) API?

No, that’s not how this process usually happens.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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Post by riffraff »

wg0 wrote: post #74

This seems like that infamous tag [0] to me that felt good and amazing at the time but later turned out not to be a good idea. [0]. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/...

did the marquee prove to be a bad idea?

I think it was subsumed by later developments (javascript), but the issue with it AFAIR was just that it wasn't useable in all browsers, not that the tag per se was a bad idea (as much as scrolling text can be).

The situation with the model api seems different, more like the AMP spec.

Re: Mozilla's opposition to Chrome's Prompt API

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Post by jedimastert »

hmokiguess wrote: post #72

The nice thing about open protocols is that we don't have to endorse or use one implementation over another, yet, somehow, the browser monopoly continues to be a standing dilemma. There are nice projects, like ungoogled chromium, tor, and many more, but I find the biggest issue is that there isn't a voice out there for the average person and a project that connects with the masses. I think another issue is that a lot…

> How do we solve this? How do we make the browser ours, by the people, and for the people?

Unfortunately, the answer is pretty much always "real public funding"

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