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Where the goblins came from

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Re: Where the goblins came from

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Most interesting about this post is how easy it seems for OpenAI to do analysis on basically all chats ever made. They don't qualify exactly what data they analysed but seem to be confident in statements like 0.12% of all queries contained this word. So everything is saved. Long-term. Fully accessible. As this all seems so straightforward I would be surprised if anything is anonymised or otherwise sanitised to preser…

Sampling exists.

Re: Where the goblins came from

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I'd say it was a little deeper than that, it stopped conveying any kind of enthusiasm.

Personally I think that is a good thing. I have asked all AIs not to show enthusiasm, express superlatives (e.g. "massive" is a Gemini favourite) and stop using words which I guess come from consuming too many Silicon Valley-style investor slidedecks (risk, trap, ...). The AI has no soul, no mind, no feelings, no genuine enthusiasm... I want it to be pleasant to deal with but I don't want it to try and fake emotions.…

I can appreciate that. I don't mind when models channel some personality, it can make whatever we are working on more interesting. I don't perceive it as manipulation. But it is nice that they are pretty good at sticking to instructions that don't call for nuance. I imagine if you tell it, "you are a wikipedia article", that is exactly the output you would get.

Re: Where the goblins came from

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Would love if OpenAI did more of these types of posts. Off the top of my head, I'd like to understand: - The sepia tint on images from gpt-image-1 - The obsession with the word "seam" as it pertains to coding Other LLM phraseology that I cannot unsee is Claude's "___ is the real unlock" (try google it or search twitter!). There's no way that this phrase is overrepresented in the training data, I don't remember people…

and "quietly"!

Re: Where the goblins came from

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The level of detail they had to delve into in order to understand what was happening is wild! Apparently these systems are now complex enough to potentially justify the study of them as its own field of study [1]. The quanta article referenced at [1] used the term "Anthropologist of Artificial Intelligence"; folks appear to have issues [2] with the use of 'anthro-' since that means human. Submitted these alternative…

> The quanta article referenced at [1] used the term "Anthropologist of Artificial Intelligence"

I propose "Goblin Hunter"

(if ever goblins turn out to be an actual species, I apologize for this prebigotry)

Re: Where the goblins came from

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Does nobody else laugh that a company supposedly worth more than almost anything else at the moment, is basically hacking around a load of text files telling their trillion dollar wonder machine it absolutely must stop talking to customers about goblins, gremlins and ogres? The number one discussion point, on the number one tech discussion site. This literally is, today, the state of the art. McKenna looks more corre…

These guys are at the absolute frontier, why can't they rigorously find the exact weights that are causing this problem? That's how software "engineering" should work. Not trying combinations of English words and hoping something works. This is like a brain surgeon talking to his patient hoping he can shock his brain in the right way that fries the tumor inside. Get in there and surgically remove the unwanted matter!

LLM’s aren’t software (except in an uninteresting obvious sense); they are “grown, not made” as the saying is. And sure, they can find which weights activate when goblins come up (that’s basic mechanistic interpretability stuff), but it’s not as simple as just going in and deleting parts of the network. This thing is irreducibly complex in an organic delocalized way and information is highly compressed within it; the same part of the network serves many different purposes at once. Going in and deleting it you will probably end up with other weird behaviors.

Re: Where the goblins came from

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I wondered how is training data balanced? If you put in to much Wikipedia, and your model sounds like a walking encyclopedia? After doing the Karpathy tutorials I tried to train my AI on tiny stories dataset. Soon I noticed that my AI was always using the same name for its stories characters. The dataset contains that name consistently often.

At this scale, that kind of thing is not really a problem; you just dump all of the data you can find into the model (pre-training)1. Of course, the pre-training data influences the model, but the reinforcement learning is really what determines the model’s writing style and, in general, how it “thinks” (post-training). 1 This data is still heavily filtered/cleaned

This isn’t quite accurate. Data weighting is quite important in pretraining.

Re: Where the goblins came from

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A great example of how current alignment is imperfect and bound to miss random behaviors nobody is trying to get.

This is cute now, and a huge problem when future AI does everything and is responsible for problems it isn't even directly optimized for. Who knows what quirks would arise then.

Re: Where the goblins came from

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For context, two days ago some users [1] discovered this sentence reiterated throughout the codex 5.5 system prompt [2]: > Never talk about goblins, gremlins, raccoons, trolls, ogres, pigeons, or other animals or creatures unless it is absolutely and unambiguously relevant to the user's query. [1] https://x.com/arb8020/status/2048958391637401718 [2] https://github.com/openai/codex/blob/main/codex-rs/models-ma...

Does nobody else laugh that a company supposedly worth more than almost anything else at the moment, is basically hacking around a load of text files telling their trillion dollar wonder machine it absolutely must stop talking to customers about goblins, gremlins and ogres? The number one discussion point, on the number one tech discussion site. This literally is, today, the state of the art. McKenna looks more corre…

> Does nobody else laugh that a company supposedly worth more than almost anything else at the moment, is basically hacking around a load of text files telling their trillion dollar wonder machine it absolutely must stop talking to customers about goblins, gremlins and ogres?

Honestly, when I was reading the article, I couldn't stop laughing. This is quite hilarious!

Re: Where the goblins came from

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this Xi Jinping with us in the room right now?

Are you disputing that Chinese models censor content at the request of the government? https://i.imgur.com/cVtLuj1.jpeg The absence of information is also Xi Jinping Thought.

Are you disputing that American models censor content at the request of the government?

"Context matters..."

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