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What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

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Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

#41

If you build a company around someone else's free API, you're either a high stakes gambler or a moron.

Or out for a quick buck without any expectation to build a lasting business.

How does this hold up when you're talking about web development, especially javascript-heavy or -only applications? You live and die by the browser API don't you?

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

#42
post #38

Aside from pissing off Twitter, and possibly getting a cease and desist, what's preventing developers from building a translator that sits between Twitter's web layer and their native application client? Couldn't something be developed that loads Twitter into a hidden webview that's locally scraped for the purpose of re-display however the developer pleases on their client? This implementation wouldn't require the to…

Or automating the creation of a unique app token for each user: https://dev.twitter.com/apps

What TOS does that violate? What if the user manually creates a token and inputs it? Could Twitter detect this even happening?

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

#43

This is really idiotic. What are they trying to do? Make sure that all the top users flock to App.net or somewhere else?

app.net is still laughable as a replacement for twitter. With the new apps it's now convenient to use a feed aggregation service that only accepts feeds from rich people, but it's still a feed aggregation service that only accepts feeds from rich people.

Not sure how $36/year is "rich". Cable TV costs more than that per month!

Personally, I'm sick of being sold to. Ad-supported is not the only business model in town and I'm not sure when using an ad-supported service over a paid one became a virtue. If this makes me "rich", ok.

App.net is just proof that at least a few people agree with me.

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

#44
post #37

It's so sad to watch such a lively lovely service remove the fun by destroying the values that made it great. Meanwhile we are sitting here saying "charge us money, you fools", and they are deaf to us. Twitter: your online site is usability hell, your own clients are dated and painful. Above all we have one question: why? Why are you intent on this path of foolishness based on placing customers and developers last?

Because their customers are advertisers, and their users are people who follow Ashton Kutcher and Justin Bieber. It's not the same service as it was when it started, when the API was important to them.

If Twitter charged to send tweets (like Facebook is now doing) then they wouldn't need to crack down on third-party clients.

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

#45
post #7

*The effective rule, therefore, is even simpler: “Don’t build anything for Twitter.” Exactly, that's precisely the message they wanted you to have. What's wrong with using the twitter.com on Windows8, do we really need a special client just for Windows 8? This is exactly what the web is supposed to do. I don't get anyone is surprised, it's Twitter's ecosystem and if you're duplicating their functionality then it's pe…

> Exactly, that's precisely the message they wanted you to have.

The message they want you to have is "build boring enterprisey stuff".

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

#46
post #7

*The effective rule, therefore, is even simpler: “Don’t build anything for Twitter.” Exactly, that's precisely the message they wanted you to have. What's wrong with using the twitter.com on Windows8, do we really need a special client just for Windows 8? This is exactly what the web is supposed to do. I don't get anyone is surprised, it's Twitter's ecosystem and if you're duplicating their functionality then it's pe…

> What's wrong with using the twitter.com on Windows8, do we really need a special client just for Windows 8?

Notifications. Multiple accounts. Filters. Speed.

Twitter.com compares to (many) Twitter clients like 2004 webmail compares to native e-mail clients of the time.

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

#47

I agree with the "Don't build anything for twitter" motto (and it would look good on a t-shirt), but part of me wonders if twitter could get by charging 25 cents a token past 100k, so developing apps is still possible, and twitter still gets its slice of the pie. Although, it still kills the advertising cash cow.

I've always wondered why Twitter doesn't do something like this. Why wouldn't they change their rules to something like: Once you have more than 100k users you pay us 5-10% of every copy of your software sold. If your app's free then you don't pay anything.

I'm pretty sure developers would agree to something like this and Twitter could get some extra money that they're not getting right now.

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

#48

You know, back before APIs were all the rage, people wrote clients for web services by scraping. Twitter really wouldn't be able to do anything about a Twitter client that pretended to be IE9.

Considering how much javascript is involved in current twitter and how often can subtle things in markup change, I'd say it's just too brittle to rely on.

Re: What Happens When A Twitter Client Hits The Token Limit

#50
post #7

*The effective rule, therefore, is even simpler: “Don’t build anything for Twitter.” Exactly, that's precisely the message they wanted you to have. What's wrong with using the twitter.com on Windows8, do we really need a special client just for Windows 8? This is exactly what the web is supposed to do. I don't get anyone is surprised, it's Twitter's ecosystem and if you're duplicating their functionality then it's pe…

> What's wrong with using the twitter.com on Windows8, do we really need a special client just for Windows 8? This is exactly what the web is supposed to do.

Moreover, it works remarkably great in Win8. Add a direct link to twitter.com on your start page, and it feels like a fullscreen native app in virtually every way.

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