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Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by IAmBroom »

jagraff wrote: post #236
api wrote: post #221

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Tangent but: this is also why reducing greenhouse gas emissions is hard. As long as fossil fuels remain one of the cheapest easiest to scale ways to make power, there’s a similar incentive to cheat. If everyone else cuts emissions and you don’t, your margins are higher and you can undercut them. Global reductions require an all-cooperate scenario. Developing nations have the strongest incentive to cheat since they ne…

Agreed - the good news is, in many circumstances renewable energy is cheaper for new energy capacity. As long as regulations move in the right direction, we are likely to see the global energy mix move towards renewable sources over time

When speaking about global energy mixes, or even nationwide energy mixes, regulations are just remixing the cost into separate buckets. Subsidizing oil for your citizens costs your country.

Trump did manage to make it more expensive for most of the world, but reversing that chaos is much, much harder.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by boringg »

fakedang wrote: post #420
boringg wrote: post #330

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While I commend the positive attitude and I tend to have a positive view on the trajectory of humanity. This part of the planet has been almost intractable since the age of Hammurabi - it is quite fractured without any current overarching unity or framework. There isn't a dominant religion (similar to Europe) or shared values. I could say almost meaningless things like "thought that through reason, hard word, and hum…

No dominant religion in the Middle East? Haha! The reason is fractured is because of the inherent tribalism within the cultures of the region. Strip away the tribalism (Oman, Qatar, UAE to an extent), concentrate the people near a few cities (Egypt), or provide them a unifying overarching culture (Iran, Turkey), and you get some success. In fact, the early Islamic empires were heavily mired in infighting even though…

So to add to my point and including yours. The scarcity of water forces the region to be inherently unstable.

This lines with my core opinion that it is rarely at peace except when under dominance of one flag (e.g. Achaemenid and Cyrus the Great) before Alexander the great defeated Darius III.

Yes, many different sects of Islam are in the region.

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Post by nailer »

basilgohar wrote: post #629
nailer wrote: post #626

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Iran started the war. They threatened the USA funded Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis. The US decided to respond but that’s more a surprise they didn’t do something earlier.

When your opponent in an argument is this disconnected from reality, that's when you realizing engaging rationally is fruitless. This is just hasbara propaganda and Zionist lies and it has no place in a civil discussion.

> When your opponent in an argument is this disconnected from reality, that's when you realizing engaging rationally is fruitless.

Yes precisely.

> This is just hasbara propaganda and Zionist lies and it has no place in a civil discussion.

Oh I thought you meant the Islamist propaganda. Iran threatening the US, funding Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are documented facts. Iran even wanted a ceasefire against Hezbollah in the recent negotations. And Jewish people deserve to be able to live in their own homeland, thinking otherwise is racist.

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Post by nailer »

bdangubic wrote: post #628
nailer wrote: post #626

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Iran started the war. They threatened the USA funded Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis. The US decided to respond but that’s more a surprise they didn’t do something earlier.

totally. iran’s navy was advancing towards us east coast, their bombers were getting ready to fly over the atlantic and rain down on us heavily. we were all sitting here scared shitless of iran :)

It only takes one nuke and they hit targets 4000 in their recent missile attacks.

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Post by M3L0NM4N »

Ajakks wrote: post #272
parthdesai wrote: post #254

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Majority of US voted for Trump. Maybe not aligned with your version of US, but this is what the majority wanted

Nobody wanted a war in Iran, recall how Trump wasnt going to start any new wars? We are in this conflict bc of Zionists - it had nothing to do with US interests at all.

Oh yes, Trump famously lets people tell him what to do. It's always the "Zionists"

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Post by nofriend »

M3L0NM4N wrote: post #675
Ajakks wrote: post #272

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Nobody wanted a war in Iran, recall how Trump wasnt going to start any new wars? We are in this conflict bc of Zionists - it had nothing to do with US interests at all.

Oh yes, Trump famously lets people tell him what to do. It's always the "Zionists"

That was pretty clearly what happened with iran. Dunno if netanyahu is a zionist or not.

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Post by [deleted] »

nradov wrote: post #340
Teever wrote: post #303

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> We aren't mindless zombies buying whatever we see on TV. But we are. I don't want to turn this into a political slap fight but it became apparent to me the extent in which people are swayed by advertising when I read an article that talked about how one party in the US was concerned that the other was going to win an important seat becase the other party had done a recent spending surge on ads in last few days befo…

Nah, it's not real. Your claim isn't supported by the data. Political advertising can help a bit at the margins but in the 2016 Presidential election the losing campaign spent about twice as much on advertising as the winner. Very few voters were swayed by last second radio ads. (I would support a Constitutional amendment to restrict campaign contributions and effectively overturn the Citizens United v. FEC decision.…

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Post by basilgohar »

nailer wrote: post #673
basilgohar wrote: post #629

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When your opponent in an argument is this disconnected from reality, that's when you realizing engaging rationally is fruitless. This is just hasbara propaganda and Zionist lies and it has no place in a civil discussion.

> When your opponent in an argument is this disconnected from reality, that's when you realizing engaging rationally is fruitless. Yes precisely. > This is just hasbara propaganda and Zionist lies and it has no place in a civil discussion. Oh I thought you meant the Islamist propaganda. Iran threatening the US, funding Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are documented facts. Iran even wanted a ceasefire against Hezboll…

Jewish people live peacefully in Palestine for centuries before the Zionists came from Europe.

What's absent from your comment entirely is the humanity and rights of the Palestinians whose presence the Israelis deny entirely. This is what I mean by being detached from reality.

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Post by laughing_man »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #623
laughing_man wrote: post #612

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Lately, sure. But for most of that time the threat from the Soviet Union was the heart of the European peace project. Without the USSR the fractures in the EU look to be getting more serious, at least from the outside. Russia's invasion of Ukraine will probably save either the EU or NATO, but probably not both.

Odd take, as the EU was founded as a peace project (1) and external threats of invasion obviously are not. But please, no more of these idiosyncratic opinions. 1) source, 1950: https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-histor...

Not every opinion you disagree with can be reasonably labeled idiosyncratic. You say the EU was founded as a peace project, but a less idealistic view would be the EU was founded as a Franco-German alliance to control the rest of Europe.

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Post by philistine »

constantius wrote: post #605
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #454

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Israel would object to aid and weapons flows into Gaza. It would be fine with Gazans leaving the Strip. The problem is there are currently zero takers globally for a significant Palestinian refugee population, in part, as other comments have mentioned, due to the history of Palestinian refugee populations in the Middle East. (To my knowledge, Palestinian Americans have been fine and productive members of society.)

Racial theorists are out in full force today. I do wonder if you all can hear yourself: a lot of subtle implications of genetic defects in Palestinians' character and selective understanding of geopolitics in the region, or just basic societal dynamics. I invited another commenter to transpose their reasoning to groups it's less popular to openly discriminate, I'd suggest you do the same.

Saying that no nations want to take Palestinian refugees does not make you a racist.

The fact remains; no Middle Eastern nation wants Palestinian refugees, not for their genes, but for their politics.

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