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Re: We need a federation of forges

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Is there really nothing like BitTorrent for git, or have we just not heard about it because of GitHub's network effects? It feels like this problem was solved long ago for binaries.

There is! https://radicle.dev :)

From today:

HardenedBSD Is Now Officially on Radicle

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47944864

Re: We need a federation of forges

#33

Slight tangent: the post says that github is crumbling. Can someone get me up to date on what's going on please? Admittedly I'm not following tech drama particularly closely, but I thought I'd have heard if a major thing like github was going down the chute.

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Re: We need a federation of forges

#34

Slight tangent: the post says that github is crumbling. Can someone get me up to date on what's going on please? Admittedly I'm not following tech drama particularly closely, but I thought I'd have heard if a major thing like github was going down the chute.

88% uptime, search index incident, CVE's to name a few.

Check a local repo and go to pr's, there's a big banner telling you there's an ongoing ncident

Re: We need a federation of forges

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its linked in the original post as well, but here is an explanation of why activitypub is not a good fit for this problem, by the authors of ForgeFed themselves: https://forgefed.org/blog/actor-programming/

Reading that - I'm really not sure that AT Protocol has a much better story there either. (as I understand it) the data has to live in a PDS, PDS are keyed by accounts, so you are similarly stymied for collaborative projects? I guess AT Proto is still a real work in progress so maybe that story has improved since the last time I checked it out.

Yeah, capability for group permissions is a key part of the work happening on permissioned data in ATproto right now.

https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3meluqcwky22a

https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3mfrsbcn2gk2a

https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3mguviy6iks2a

https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3mhj6bcqats2o

Re: We need a federation of forges

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post #11
post #4

Is there really nothing like BitTorrent for git, or have we just not heard about it because of GitHub's network effects? It feels like this problem was solved long ago for binaries.

There is! https://radicle.dev :)

Oh, that's pretty cool! Now I can't decide whether that approach or one based on AT is better...

Re: We need a federation of forges

#38

Tangled is VC funded just like initially how GitHub was: https://blog.tangled.org/seed/ It always ends the same way. enshittification. Also: > Bain Capital Crypto is an investor. A crypto VC is invested in this. This is not the solution.

You completely missed the point. The point isn't that you should find a company that you trust and think is ethical. The point is to shift the power dynamics so you don't have to trust anyone. That's what building on ATproto does. Tangled is also fully open source and anyone can host their own knot and AppView.

Re: We need a federation of forges

#39

This looks cool but the issue github is dealing with is exponential usage. They're trying to 30x their capacity right now - let that sink in! Microsoft here or there, any company would be struggling under this load. And I frankly don't think that any ideology driven alternative will ever be able to provide better uptime under the same load - or any alternative period, for that matter. We're just living in times where…

You frame the symptom as the problem though. Others seem to be attributing this to Azure migration and Copilot overhead tightly coupled to GitHub infrastructure.

Re: We need a federation of forges

#40
Last time I tried Tangled they had no concept of private repos. That’s the only thing keeping me on GitHub (oh, and my massive likes collection, I use those as bookmarks).

I’m self-hosting with cgit, maybe I could move my private repos to SourceHut? Idk.

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