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We need a federation of forges

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Re: We need a federation of forges

#21

Slight tangent: the post says that github is crumbling. Can someone get me up to date on what's going on please? Admittedly I'm not following tech drama particularly closely, but I thought I'd have heard if a major thing like github was going down the chute.

A simple search holds the answers https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=fa...

Re: We need a federation of forges

#22
post #10

I don't think calling your git server a "knot" is going to go over well with certain large subsections of the OSS community. Or rather, it will go over way too well.

Furry developers are all professionals and won't have a giggle fit every time they think about it.

I don't get the joke and I'm a bit too worried about googling this on my work pc, can you please enlighten me what's up with the word knot :D

Re: We need a federation of forges

#23

Slight tangent: the post says that github is crumbling. Can someone get me up to date on what's going on please? Admittedly I'm not following tech drama particularly closely, but I thought I'd have heard if a major thing like github was going down the chute.

So there has been increasing issues form the github side for the past year and I believe they also just lost alot of customer/user data on top of several critical vulnribilities and bugs in base service and in actions.

My POV: Github actions are inconsistent in billing, security and require alot of attention to do right. Github has worse uptime than alot of free online videogame services, when most enterprise and business world leans on it for developers. Leaving a lot of users with terrible experience the past year having to constantly examine github firefighting for issues around availability, security, and billing instead of doing work that makes the company/people money.

Example walk through of securing github actions for ci/cd and managing SBOM python dependancy/supply chains (giant complexity) [1], Github has remote code execution[2], Uptime by 3rd party tracker shows 86% past 90 days. (First quarter in 2 years where they didn't have atleast one month above 90% uptime) [3]

[1] https://astral.sh/blog/open-source-security-at-astral [2] https://www.wiz.io/blog/github-rce-vulnerability-cve-2026-38... [3] https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses/

Re: We need a federation of forges

#24

Slight tangent: the post says that github is crumbling. Can someone get me up to date on what's going on please? Admittedly I'm not following tech drama particularly closely, but I thought I'd have heard if a major thing like github was going down the chute.

Github has frequent downtime: https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses/

Re: We need a federation of forges

#25

"There are 4 standards that try to solve this problem, its too many, we need one that finally unifies it all and solves the problem once and for all" "There are 5 standards that..." Jokes aside, I think we need stronger arguments as to why something like activity pub is not good enough to solve the problem instead of trying to come up a new way of solving the "decentralized comms" problem.

I dunno man. Why was Tangled able to ship on top of ATProto even prior to getting funded, and ForgeFed has been hanging out for years?

Re: We need a federation of forges

#26
This looks cool but the issue github is dealing with is exponential usage. They're trying to 30x their capacity right now - let that sink in! Microsoft here or there, any company would be struggling under this load. And I frankly don't think that any ideology driven alternative will ever be able to provide better uptime under the same load - or any alternative period, for that matter. We're just living in times where everyone is catching up with the capabilities of agents, and it was obvious that things like this will happen 12 months ago. Good luck for your project though!

Re: We need a federation of forges

#27

Slight tangent: the post says that github is crumbling. Can someone get me up to date on what's going on please? Admittedly I'm not following tech drama particularly closely, but I thought I'd have heard if a major thing like github was going down the chute.

It’s had horrific uptime, to the point of hitting 88.x uptime percentage.

This is likely on the back of Mitchell Hashimoto (Hashicorp founder) announcing he’s moving off of Github as well.

And really just years of Github feeling inconsistent, bad UX, no good solutions for open source developers in terms of AI spam etc.

Re: We need a federation of forges

#28
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Furry developers are all professionals and won't have a giggle fit every time they think about it.

I don't get the joke and I'm a bit too worried about googling this on my work pc, can you please enlighten me what's up with the word knot :D

The knot is the bit that causes two canids to get en-tangled after getting frisky.

Re: We need a federation of forges

#29

"There are 4 standards that try to solve this problem, its too many, we need one that finally unifies it all and solves the problem once and for all" "There are 5 standards that..." Jokes aside, I think we need stronger arguments as to why something like activity pub is not good enough to solve the problem instead of trying to come up a new way of solving the "decentralized comms" problem.

its linked in the original post as well, but here is an explanation of why activitypub is not a good fit for this problem, by the authors of ForgeFed themselves: https://forgefed.org/blog/actor-programming/

Reading that - I'm really not sure that AT Protocol has a much better story there either.

(as I understand it) the data has to live in a PDS, PDS are keyed by accounts, so you are similarly stymied for collaborative projects? I guess AT Proto is still a real work in progress so maybe that story has improved since the last time I checked it out.

Re: We need a federation of forges

#30

Slight tangent: the post says that github is crumbling. Can someone get me up to date on what's going on please? Admittedly I'm not following tech drama particularly closely, but I thought I'd have heard if a major thing like github was going down the chute.

https://www.githubstatus.com/

In particular:

https://www.githubstatus.com/history

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