Nothing is pissing me off more than GitHub's stability going down the tubes RIGHT as work is migrating everything, and I mean everything, from CircleCI to GH. The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this. Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't ins…
HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'
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#52I feel like I’m out of the loop, or maybe I’m just not a super GitHub power user, but GitHub does pretty much what I expect and I haven’t had issues with it. All my git commands for GitHub just work and PRs and code reviews are the same as it’s always been. Can someone explain what exactly is so bad now that leaving it entirely to use some new platform, even spinning up your own servers, is a reasonable alternative?
So much so that they stopped posting uptime metrics for a while on their status page and an independent 3rd party created a website just for this:
https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses/ (not my website)
According to that website, which unsurprisingly reports a lower number than what Github themselves claim, Github uptime is down to ~86%.
And if you work in the space, you know how terrible that is, but even more so for such a critical piece of infrastructure.
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#53Nothing is pissing me off more than GitHub's stability going down the tubes RIGHT as work is migrating everything, and I mean everything, from CircleCI to GH. The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this. Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't ins…
Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'
#54I feel like I’m out of the loop, or maybe I’m just not a super GitHub power user, but GitHub does pretty much what I expect and I haven’t had issues with it. All my git commands for GitHub just work and PRs and code reviews are the same as it’s always been. Can someone explain what exactly is so bad now that leaving it entirely to use some new platform, even spinning up your own servers, is a reasonable alternative?
Most random errors in Github Actions (e.g. jobs just randomly failing or getting stuck and requiring a manual restart, or just being plain slow) also never show up on the Github Status page. The Github Actions VMs are also so slow that I'm seriously pondering setting up a cheap throw-away laptop at home as runner, that would easily be 10x faster. But then we're at playing IT admin at home :/
Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honest question, why are companies interested in hosting on github? As a private person I use it too as a free hoster, but from work I mainly know self hosted instances of jenkins and TeamCity.
> Honest question, why are companies interested in hosting on github? Mostly boils down to marketing and easier to establish a community. Almost every developer has an account there, leading to network effects being much larger, so if you're a new FOSS project, finding contributors and getting your project in front of other's eyes is much easier when you're on GitHub compared to your own Forgejo instance. With that s…
But closed source companies surly don't need to establish a community?
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could be. But 99% of the repos are static garbage with no PR nor actions. They mentioned they have some elasticsearch reindexing going to, I would guess they needed to regard or move stuff and something didn't work well. But if I understood it right they mentioned the PRs ES index which they didn't shared proof increased as the number of repos. It might be anything. It seems they lost huge chunks due to layoffs and s…
Serious question, have you been part of an org that had to scale orders of magnitude very quickly? Anyone who has been part of that journey knows how painful it really is. A lot of times the systems to fail at all levels, and you have to redesign it from the first principles.
And that start by layoffing your best engineers, I guess
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#57With Ghostty being the latest project to leave GitHub, it does make me wonder who will leave next. I don't expect everybody and their nan to leave GitHub by next wednesday and spin up their own Forgejo server, but I do think GitHub should be worried that people are finally looking to move away from them.
do we have already an HN user creating "who-left-gh.net"? (domain is free)
https://github.com/SerJaimeLannister/who-left-gh/
Currently I know 3 projects, Ghostty, Bookstack-app, Hardenedbsd who have seemed to move away from Github from my understanding.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honest question, why are companies interested in hosting on github? As a private person I use it too as a free hoster, but from work I mainly know self hosted instances of jenkins and TeamCity.
Most developers have experience using GitHub. The UI and concepts are familiar. The friction for adopting features like Actions is relatively low.
I guess, but it's not like you can't learn how to create a pullrequest on bitbucket or how to create an issue on jira as well within a work day?
That seems like the smallest thing when switching to a new company.
> The friction for adopting features like Actions is relatively low.
Yeah, I know almost nothing about the CI integration and actions when it comes to Github. Will look into it. Thank you.
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#59so where should people move to instead
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're claiming a huge increase in traffic due to vibe coded projects. It might just be an excuse, but it certainly seems plausible to me.
Could be. But 99% of the repos are static garbage with no PR nor actions. They mentioned they have some elasticsearch reindexing going to, I would guess they needed to regard or move stuff and something didn't work well. But if I understood it right they mentioned the PRs ES index which they didn't shared proof increased as the number of repos. It might be anything. It seems they lost huge chunks due to layoffs and s…
But the 1% of repos that do have PRs and actions are likely going to be seeing enormous increases in volumes
I have been a part of two very large companies with self hosted gits and I've seen enough to be confident that this is an incredibly hard thing to manage