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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by red_admiral »

> People chose Android because it was different.

Source?

The android/iOS market shares vary a lot by country, with android dominating worldwide. North America is an exception with iOS in front (I think even more so in Canada). Maybe people _in the US_ choose android because it's different?

In Germany for example the android market share vs iOS is something like 60:40. India, something like 90:10.

Reasonable explanation: there's many more different price and feature ranges with android. I doubt the average Indian or German would say they bought an android "because it's more open", especially if they're in the great majority of people who don't work in tech.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by fsflover »

handedness wrote: post #424
fsflover wrote: post #389

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> but it doesn't change the fact that you can accidentally grant a malicious application permissions Do you also support the nanny states that decide how you should be parenting your children? (The age verification etc.)

You have a consistent habit of posing complex questions in your rhetoric. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_question Please don't do that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

This is not really a complex question as much as it is an analogy demonstrating that allowing third parties to dictate how you live leads to a huge loss of your freedom with bad consequences on your independence and control. But you are right: I could say this in my above comment.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by regularfry »

roysting wrote: post #454
pzo wrote: post #403

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even worse - if you need to build some app with entitlements or some features likes push notifications etc then you need non-free account

I would like to mention that although I’m aware of the limitations, I think it is worth designing and advocating for web app standards that could even at some point become a viable competitor to native apps, especially for apps that really don’t need to be native/wrapped apps in the first place since most are CRUDs anyways. Maybe this will be a catalyst towards further evolution of the web app as Android devs want to…

You're not wrong, but it will always be the case that the web platform lags native. There will always be stuff you can't do without a native client. The proportion of apps that it's viable to run as a PWA will probably increase over time, but the platforms have both the ability and incentive to stay out ahead.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by jjgreen »

dtj1123 wrote: post #157
empyrrhicist wrote: post #141

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> the vastly superior apple experience After switching away from GrapheneOS to iOS after RCS stopped working for me, I can safely say my experience has been the opposite. The camera is the only thing better for me on iOS - everything else is buggier and worse. A few of my favorites: 1. Safari is buggy as hell, and requires installing apps to run things like ad blockers. 2. The settings are ALL over the place and very…

I'm considering switching to GrapheneOS... What's this about RCS not working?

Everyone's using Subversion now ...

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by jwr »

pngwen wrote: post #68

This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

I still remember how Google execs were using the word "open" almost as a comma. Android was Open, Google was Open, this was so different from the Closed Apple World. Everything would be Open!

I hope we will remember this lesson and learn from it. Calling something "open" doesn't make it so, and anything owned by a large corporation will eventually succumb to the direction taken by the corporation. And large corporations have goals where you, the user, are not a consideration, you are just a part of their money-making machinery.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by someguyornotidk »

john_strinlai wrote: post #384
wiseowise wrote: post #361

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> This is a very HN view of Android. Just because you're HN dweller doesn't make it HN view. The openness, freedom, customizability and accessibility (money wise) were the tenets that differentiated Android from Apple devices.

> The openness, freedom, customizability and accessibility (money wise) were the tenets that differentiated Android from Apple devices. i have never heard someone outside of tech circles (e.g. HN) mention openness, freedom, or customization, even as a passing comment. they use a phone to access mainstream apps (youtube, instagram, reddit, maybe their bank) and text/call. mention "apk" or "fdroid" and their eyes start…

My brother, who's relationship with tech barely extends to the latest samsung flagship, threw away his iphone because he couldn't get all the apps he wanted.

I think _your_ impression of people outside tech circles is as HN-centric as it gets :)

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by fsflover »

kuhsaft wrote: post #502
fsflover wrote: post #383

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A GrapheneOS phone is just as open as the Librem 5. They both use proprietary blobs and hardware. Librem just tries to hide that fact. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47935853#47943179 GrapheneOS is probably more secure also.

> A GrapheneOS phone is just as open as the Librem 5.

No, it's not. Try to run a completely free OS on you hardware (like Replicant) and watch the lack of camera, GPS and more.

Related discussion for other: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47942070

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by fsflover »

bigyabai wrote: post #312
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #298

WHERE DO I SEND MY MONEY? This is the question this website should be answering. Signing petitions is all well and good, but I want to vote with my wallet. WHERE DO I SEND MY MONEY??? One thing I will do in the future is buy a nifty Motorola / GrapheneOS collab phone, but I can't do that yet. So for now: WHERE DO I SEND MY MONEY? It is literally amazing to me that people aren't giving this as an option on such social…

Money won't fix anything here: https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/governments... The central control is the point.

How does it affect GNU/Linux phones?

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by literalAardvark »

cesarb wrote: post #523
TFNA wrote: post #352

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> anybody who does banking on their phone is taking a big and unnecessary risk It is not necessarily a matter of choice. Besides what the other commenter notes about 2FA, in some countries banks have been removing functionality from their online-banking website, and you can only do certain things in the phone app.

> in some countries banks have been removing functionality from their online-banking website, and you can only do certain things in the phone app. The most infuriating I've seen, is a bank which removed the anual tax report (which you need to do the anual income tax) from the online-banking website, requiring you to use the phone app... to download a PDF file, which you then have to transfer to the computer anyway so…

You can print from your phone, and also you probably don't even need to print it.
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