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Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Why is it morally compromising to work with the military of the country you live in?

We can all agree that working for the Nazi government’s military would be morally compromising, right? You propose that other governments militaries would not be so compromising. Seems reasonable. But the question then becomes, what is the operative distinction between the two?

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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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> We remain committed to the private and public sector consensus that AI should not be used for domestic mass surveillance or autonomous weaponry without appropriate human oversight. And starts the lying to our faces. The public and private (from your own employees!) consensus is that it should not be used for those things at all, regardless of “human oversight.”

I hate this part: `domestic mass surveillance`

So the rest of the world is fine to spy on, its the domestic part they don't agree with. So go on, destroy lives all around the world, helping the powers at be build the fascist state. Its fine to use Gemini to tell what building to blow up; its fine for Gemini to wrongly identify people and cause hundreds or thousands of deaths based on the telling the military who to attack.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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It’s not morally wrong per-se but just because you are working with your government does not mean what you’re doing is necessarily moral

Just because you are working with your government does not mean what you’re doing is necessarily immoral, either.

Hegseth bombed a girls school in Iran last month. I think it's fair to doubt the moral worth of anyone assisting this admin.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Who could have seen this one coming. From yesterday: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-pentagon-classified-u... ("Hundreds of Google workers urge CEO to refuse classified AI work with Pentagon"). Any AI researcher who continues to work here is morally compromised.

Why is it morally wrong for a US citizen to work with their government?

Idk about morality, but it’s certainly a way to stop dystopian mass surveillance nightmares if everyone capable of building one refuses.

So if you live in the US and don’t want one government agency in the US to have this power (that is ambiguous under current law), one way you can try to avoid it is by refusing to sell it to them and urging others to do the same.

It’s a long shot sure, but it certainly seems more effective than hoping the legislature wakes up and reigns in the executive these days.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Thankfully Russia, China, etc have the same qualms as we do in the United States and will refused to send their brightest engineers to work on weapons so they don't become "morally compromised"!!!

I don't know if you're being sarcastic(sounds like you are!) but indeed a lot of engineers left Russia after the war in Ukraine started as they didn't want to be drafted and didn't want to contribute to the war effort in some way, even if indirectly. Of course, many stayed or even willingly help. See how many engineers from Iran work abroad too, for moral and other reasons. The point is - this happens everywhere, it'…

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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Who defines "lawful" if Google and the Pentagon disagree? > The classified deal apparently doesn’t allow Google to veto how the government will use its AI models. Seems concerning?

No it doesn't at all. Private corporations shouldn't be telling the government what it can and can't do. That's the job of the people. You want private corporation overriding your vote?

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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We can all agree that working for the Nazi government’s military would be morally compromising, right? You propose that other governments militaries would not be so compromising. Seems reasonable. But the question then becomes, what is the operative distinction between the two?

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This government doesn't GAF what is "lawful" and what isn't. Was what happened to Pretti and Good in Minneapolis lawful? Would you work for ICE/CBP with no qualms at all?

See also the new national sport of hunting for fishing boats off the South American coast. Is that "lawful?"

And yes, since you went there: everything the Nazis did was "lawful." To the extent it wasn't "lawful," they made it "lawful."

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Lawful is meaningless in the context of the Trump administration. Should Google waver (which they won't), they'll be declared a supply chain risk or otherwise bullied into submission.

Google holds immense power in their position. Trump can make their life very difficult but Google can make life for Trump very difficult as well. They have no need to kneel, they are choosing to.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Who could have seen this one coming. From yesterday: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-pentagon-classified-u... ("Hundreds of Google workers urge CEO to refuse classified AI work with Pentagon"). Any AI researcher who continues to work here is morally compromised.

Why is it morally wrong for a US citizen to work with their government?

Given most government policies and direct engagement in all kind of monstrosities over the last millennia, there is really no reason to limit the case to USA, indeed.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Who defines "lawful" if Google and the Pentagon disagree? > The classified deal apparently doesn’t allow Google to veto how the government will use its AI models. Seems concerning?

Google should never be determining what is lawful or not.
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