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The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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0rzech wrote: post #93
expedition32 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The West aren't entirely the good guys here. My own city was liberated by Polish troops. After WW2 they obviously couldn't go back to Poland. A lot of them ended up in relative poverty after the war. At least Canadians and Australians went back home and got a parade.

Yes, that was awful. Not to mention pushing Poland into Eastern Bloc and then putting embargoes on it.

It was definitely Soviets/Stalin that started conquering and this was a western reaction to it. The Yalta conference was an attempt to appease Stalin and give Russia the conquests it wanted (it's not like they appeased someone else 10 years before leading to the incredible disaster, arguably the biggest disaster in human history, or anything like that. But not giving up Eastern Europe would have likely meant war with the Soviets right then and there)

It was a choice between giving up a lot, not just Poland, and continued war. Must have sucked pretty damn badly if you were one of the things given up to Stalin, but ...

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Post by 0rzech »

spwa4 wrote: post #101
0rzech wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that was awful. Not to mention pushing Poland into Eastern Bloc and then putting embargoes on it.

It was definitely Soviets/Stalin that started conquering and this was a western reaction to it. The Yalta conference was an attempt to appease Stalin and give Russia the conquests it wanted (it's not like they appeased someone else 10 years before leading to the incredible disaster, arguably the biggest disaster in human history, or anything like that. But not giving up Eastern Europe would have likely meant war with…

We can only guess if it would mean war or not, but it looks like Churchill assumed it would, given he tried to campaign for taking Poland from USSR by force. I know that not only Poland was sold.

It was a horrible betrayal in both how it was done and in its outcomes. Embargoing those countries by the West, which the same West has sold to Stalin in the first place, was just a cherry on top.

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Post by Drupon »

breppp wrote: post #62
Drupon wrote: post #51

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So a thousand civilians weren't shot by death squads in civilian towns? babies weren't kidnapped? women weren't raped? houses weren't burned with people inside? bodies weren't found dismembered? I think you should really investigate your sources of information as this is approaching an alternative reality.

>So a thousand civilians weren't shot by death squads in civilian towns

Correct. The civilian death count was below a thousand and quite good by IDF/US military collateral damage standards. Compare to the hostage rescue operation the IDF and US carried out to get that one bimbo woman (who was immediately raped by an Israeli after being rescued btw) that killed over 100 civilians.

>babies weren't kidnapped

Correct

>women weren't raped

Correct

>houses weren't burned with people inside

I'm sure many were, yes. Again, fairly acceptable by collateral standards.

>bodies weren't found dismembered

Maybe there were, but there's been no evidence posted of it.

>I think you should really investigate your sources of information as this is approaching an alternative reality.

Nothing I've posted is controversial or hard to verify.

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