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Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by RobRivera »

retired wrote: post #5

Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.

That's genuinely my baseline, then I ask 'why do we want to manage this dependency?'

I can appreciate the desire to close gaps on expertise deficiency and make a vendor responsible, but the whole schtick of 'outsource everything and focus on your business for advantage' always rang to me as just an excuse to give our money to vendors.

Its almost as if the whole case for vertical integration is just taken as a wash

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by ck45 »

croes wrote: post #43
tomschwiha wrote: post #30

The title is heavy clickbait. To say I just bought a Porsche when it was actually a Volkswagen is also wrong. Just because they belong to the same owner doesn't make it the same brand.

It’s actually the other way around. Porsche is a Volkswagen but a Volkswagen isn’t necessarily a Porsche. VW bought Porsche

Well, it's more difficult. The original Volkswagen was designed by Ferdinand Porsche.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by vrganj »

holoduke wrote: post #66
MiinusMiinus wrote: post #56

I'm so happy that companies are ditching the big tech. Not enough fast enough imo.

[flagged]

The last war Germany started famously ended 80 years ago.

The last war the US started is still ongoing and was started by them a few weeks ago.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

storus wrote: post #13
pier25 wrote: post #10

Wait... Lidl has a cloud service now?

Schwarz seems to be obsessed with how Amazon (book seller) created AWS and they are trying to do the same... with 5 people. Also Aleph Alpha + Cohere is a Lidl work as the current CEO of the former led Lidl digital division.

Lidl famously blew 500M on a failed SAP project, so they're understandably a bit into running things themselves.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17541092

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by strangegecko »

holoduke wrote: post #66
MiinusMiinus wrote: post #56

I'm so happy that companies are ditching the big tech. Not enough fast enough imo.

[flagged]

Expand?

German government is certainly slow and overly limited by bureaucracy, but dangerous?

Who are you comparing to?

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by ghaff »

kevin_nisbet wrote: post #58
retired wrote: post #5

Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.

I've operated at companies using both models, and have observed similar reactions to suggestions of using the cloud. To me it's like anything else in engineering, are the costs, risks, and benefits fully understood, and worth the tradeoff in the particular context. I worked for a startup doing internet of things, the consumer would buy a device and get lifetime service baked in. And that company was a step further, j…

Especially in larger organizations, it's easy to lose track of all the distributed soft costs that DIY can bring (and all the bus factors that may be involved). There are lots of people that kinda want to get paid and get benefits and which require some level of management structure.

At some point, you have people (on here and elsewhere) questioning what all these people in an organization do. PART of the answer is that they're doing internal work that could have been outsourced in various ways.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by Muromec »

palmotea wrote: post #67
walrus01 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preventing this from happening requires a clued-in CTO and equivalent senior level leadership who can defend against such 'attack' methods and knows the difference between, for instance, paying a monthly recurring cost to host a Linux/KVM virtual machine and paying for some totally 'cloud' SaAs. Further, it needs people in decision making roles who understand and value the strategic differences between having an infr…

> Preventing this from happening requires a clued-in CTO and equivalent senior level leadership who can defend against such 'attack' methods and knows the difference between, for instance, paying a monthly recurring cost to host a Linux/KVM virtual machine and paying for some totally 'cloud' SaAs. And the reality is eventually you'll get a clueless one, and everything will revert to the mean. And the mean is heavily…

This is true, but making money in any business is constantly fighting against the entropy and regression to the mean. Also, maybe, just maybe it's an example of relative competitive advantage and paying more for the AWS is the right call.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by MaKey »

martijnvds wrote: post #48
kodama-lens wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, kind of. Lidl and Kaufland is owned by the Schwarz Group. They have been busy replicating the AWS orgin story. Their cloud is called StackIT. I've worked with them. Still some room to grow but a solid foundation. I like that competition is back on

Is it fully custom, or are they using a flavor of OpenStack or similar?

They have their own API but under the hood it's OpenStack.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Post by Havoc »

speedgoose wrote: post #28

Yes I guess banks don’t mind the high prices of Lidl’s cloud. It’s very much not a discount cloud provider. They are costly unlike their physical discount grocery stores.

Pretty sure it's the oracle model - the advertised prices don't matter because it's all custom negotiated.
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