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Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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Something I read elsewhere was "if someone is using an AI avatar, they were never going to be your customer anyway". I used to commission avatars every year or two from a specific artist. It wasn't super cheap (hundreds of dollars). At the end of the day though, spending hundreds of dollars, waiting weeks, and then maybe getting 85% of what I wanted doesn't make sense when I could instead spend ~$0, wait 30 seconds,…

> Something I read elsewhere was "if someone is using an AI avatar, they were never going to be your customer anyway". Is your point that what you quoted is false? > I used to commission avatars every year or two from a specific artist. It wasn't super cheap (hundreds of dollars). At the end of the day though, spending hundreds of dollars, waiting weeks, and then maybe getting 85% of what I wanted doesn't make sense…

> because you just gave an anecdote that shows the truth is "if someone is using an AI avatar, they might have been your customer before AI".

I stopped commission artists for avatars years before that because of "It wasn't super cheap (hundreds of dollars). At the end of the day though, spending hundreds of dollars, waiting weeks, and then maybe getting 85% of what I wanted"

I got tired of waiting weeks only to get honestly a middling result. I stopped buying art and won't go back because the economics don't make sense to me regardless of AI.

> only a small remainder of the most difficult/sensitive things being left

Yep. It's what happens to industries as technologies progress. Horse carriage drivers and elevator operators either found something more specialized or moved out of the industry. If someone is making a living off onesie-twosie low-dollar commissions and can't figure out how to translate that to something else in the industry, they don't have any other choice.

Personally I think a lot of technology progression is long-term positive for humans because it means humans get to do something more fulfilling than rote work. It's dystopian and awful but personally, it's a shove for artists to move onto better art.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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These look nice. It seems it’s been confirmed these aren’t AI generated. But want to say even if they were, I’d have no problem with them being AI at all. This is one of those wedge issues that people get all activated about (it felt like the conversation was more nuanced when the models were more of toys and had too many fingers like Stable Diffusion) but to me it feels analogous to someone being mad that someone is…

I generally disagree with your stance (though I respect it as your opinion) and would like to offer you a different view on this. It might take a bit to explain my point so please bear with me. Using AI for creative purposes, specifically ones where the creative input is the goal, is one usage of AI that I strongly dislike. Art has always been seen and used to express something. It could be emotions, it could be a pe…

Do you consider a director of a film a creator?

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

#103

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> Something I read elsewhere was "if someone is using an AI avatar, they were never going to be your customer anyway". Is your point that what you quoted is false? > I used to commission avatars every year or two from a specific artist. It wasn't super cheap (hundreds of dollars). At the end of the day though, spending hundreds of dollars, waiting weeks, and then maybe getting 85% of what I wanted doesn't make sense…

> because you just gave an anecdote that shows the truth is "if someone is using an AI avatar, they might have been your customer before AI". I stopped commission artists for avatars years before that because of "It wasn't super cheap (hundreds of dollars). At the end of the day though, spending hundreds of dollars, waiting weeks, and then maybe getting 85% of what I wanted" I got tired of waiting weeks only to get h…

> Personally I think a lot of technology progression is long-term positive for humans because it means humans get to do something more fulfilling than rote work. It's dystopian and awful but personally, it's a shove for artists to move onto better art.

Dude, you need to update your memes. It's 2026: technology progression means humans "get" to do more rote work as the fulfilling creative and intellectual aspects are automated away.

Have machines do the creative part of building the system, so you don't have to! Instead you get even larger piles of code reviews instead!

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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post #68

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I generally disagree with your stance (though I respect it as your opinion) and would like to offer you a different view on this. It might take a bit to explain my point so please bear with me. Using AI for creative purposes, specifically ones where the creative input is the goal, is one usage of AI that I strongly dislike. Art has always been seen and used to express something. It could be emotions, it could be a pe…

Do you consider a director of a film a creator?

If the "only" thing the director is doing, in the most literal sense, is directing then no, I don't.

I'm not an expert in media production though but from the sparse amount of interviews I have seen a lot also write the scripts and are involved in a lot more than just directing.

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I generally disagree with your stance (though I respect it as your opinion) and would like to offer you a different view on this. It might take a bit to explain my point so please bear with me. Using AI for creative purposes, specifically ones where the creative input is the goal, is one usage of AI that I strongly dislike. Art has always been seen and used to express something. It could be emotions, it could be a pe…

> The person prompting the AI is not the artist. I don't think that the parent comment argued that they are, but okay. > If I were to go to Fiverr and tell a person to create an image for me, would you consider me the creator of that image? Can you consider a movie director to be the creator of a movie? They are just telling other people what to do.

> I don't think that the parent comment argued that they are, but okay.

I think they did. They specifically said how a new tool is available and putting things into reach for people that previously wasn't. In the context about creating art, that reads to me like they do mean that prompters are considered the creators.

> Can you consider a movie director to be the creator of a movie? They are just telling other people what to do.

If the "only" thing the director is doing, in the most literal sense, is directing then no, I don't.

I'm not an expert in media production though but from the sparse amount of interviews I have seen a lot also write the scripts and are involved in a lot more than just directing.

I think ultimately this is just something we disagree on :)

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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> We're still not talking about provenance. Where something comes from is not the same as what it is. Either define what you mean by authentic, or let us assume that it's a synonym for "something I like"

I'm honestly not sure how much more I can break this down for you. I'm not trying to be difficult here, but you keep on misreading and objecting to things I have not said. The Lord of the Rings is about lots of things. Some of those things are orcs. When I say that The Lord of the Rings is about orcs, I'm not saying it's made by orcs, or that orcs were used to distribute it, but that orcs are something discussed with…

Then I don't understand the point you're making.... Are you saying it's simply ironic that theres an inauthentic version of a book about authenticity?

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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If you can't even tell it's AI and need to be told... then what's the problem? Personal preference? It's like only enjoying paintings if the artist used horse hair and horse hair alone for their paintbrush.... A very arbitrary constraint

If I forged a Picasso and convinced someone to buy it, did I do anything wrong?

What's that got to do with llms?

Re: Moleskine's AI Lord of the Rings collection can only mock

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Which part of the map is incorrect? It matches the other ones I can find. https://www.moleskine.com/en-us/shop/limited-editions/the-lo...

That's not the AI picture. Or at least not the admitted one. Click the OP link.

So just the maps in the background of AI generated ads? The AI generated one that shows a staged notebook seems to have the same map features as the one on the page I linked and that one seemed to match up with the locations shown on other non-AI maps of Middle Earth even though it uses a different drawing style.
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