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The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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They were going after key people like academics, engineers, doctors, artists first.

Yeah the Nazis had future plans for Poland. The idea was to make the entire country into illiterate slaves. A lot of people don't know that although what the Nazis did was obviously terrible it was nothing compared to what they wanted to do. Poland survived 60 years of communism. It would not have survived national socialism.

There was a version which considered leaving 15%-20% of the Polish population to be slaves, but "In 1941, the German leadership decided to destroy the Polish nation completely, and in 15–20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.[16]: 32 A majority of them, now deprived of their leaders and most of their intelligentsia (through mass murder, destruction of culture, banning education above the absolutely basic level, and kidnapping of children for Germanization), would have to be deported to regions in the East and scattered over as wide an area of Western Siberia as possible. According to the plan, this would result in their assimilation by the local populations, which would cause the Poles to vanish as a nation.[46]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#Poland

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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The idea that the allies restrained themselves to win the war is best underwood by considering Hiroshima or Dresden than whatever we can divine from the remaining pre war architecture in berlin. My point was that looking at what was happening. In berlin (or Hiroshima or Dresden) in 1945 without considering that those countries had done immediately prior is dumb.

Well that wasn’t the point of this thread. The comment was literally asking if the Battle of Berlin would’ve reminded the OP of Gaza. > The idea that the allies restrained themselves to win the war is best underwood by considering Hiroshima or Dresden than whatever we can divine from the remaining pre war architecture in berlin. Yes, interestingly you bring up the worst of the worst bombing campaigns of the allies, H…

>> still unsuccessfully in use today (spoiler: it does not demoralize, it radicalizes).

I think your idea if I follow correctly that Israel's campaign in Gaza is to demoralize the Gazans (vs kick back, Hammas, get the hostages back, etc.) but at the same time that it's irrational for them to do it because of what you said re radicalization?

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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It was an attempt of the Polish resistance to avoid being "liberated" by the Soviets to just immediately become occupied by the communist red army. The idea being to liberate Warsaw and get US/UK assistance through the Polish government-in-exile in London to establish Polish military control before the Soviet army arrived. Getting US/UK support could have meant that Poland remained an independent state. Instead, Stal…

The West aren't entirely the good guys here. My own city was liberated by Polish troops. After WW2 they obviously couldn't go back to Poland. A lot of them ended up in relative poverty after the war. At least Canadians and Australians went back home and got a parade.

Yes, that was awful. Not to mention pushing Poland into Eastern Bloc and then putting embargoes on it.

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Well, there is "never again" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_again ). It is up to us to decide if "never again" is a universal rule or "oh, but this time it is different".

“Nie wieder ist jetzt” is common graffiti in Berlin right now: “Never again is now.”

This slogan started as a reaction against rising antisemitism after 7. Octobre. A problem which many here just deny (" Germany is again on the wrong site")

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Don't forget that Germans were able to quickly find people they wanted to exterminate by going through municipal and church records. Today it will be much easier thanks to push for Digital ID. Choose demographic and the dashboard will show where everyone is and their connections.

Ten years ago multiple tech giants openly stated they would not help the Trump administration build a Muslim registry [1]. Since then, several of them have bowed the knee and donated to his second inauguration. I’m from Germany, and keep wondering how much more damage the NSDAP could have done if they had access to the data these companies now have on everybody. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/16/13990234/google…

Again a reminder that Google etc have data far more than historical dictatorship like Stasi, KGB etc. just for better marketing. we need better data protection though GDPR is a good start.

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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post #94

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“Nie wieder ist jetzt” is common graffiti in Berlin right now: “Never again is now.”

This slogan started as a reaction against rising antisemitism after 7. Octobre. A problem which many here just deny (" Germany is again on the wrong site")

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Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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To expand on my usage of the word “imply”: the implication of destroying buildings to the point where independent satellite imagery analysis deems 90%+ off buildings uninhabitable would be that there is a policy of making that area entirely uninhabitable, whether explicit or implicit. To use the very example the grandparent comment gave as contrast, the advancing Russian army did not have a policy of making Berlin en…

The idea that the allies restrained themselves to win the war is best underwood by considering Hiroshima or Dresden than whatever we can divine from the remaining pre war architecture in berlin. My point was that looking at what was happening. In berlin (or Hiroshima or Dresden) in 1945 without considering that those countries had done immediately prior is dumb.

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Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Well that wasn’t the point of this thread. The comment was literally asking if the Battle of Berlin would’ve reminded the OP of Gaza. > The idea that the allies restrained themselves to win the war is best underwood by considering Hiroshima or Dresden than whatever we can divine from the remaining pre war architecture in berlin. Yes, interestingly you bring up the worst of the worst bombing campaigns of the allies, H…

>> still unsuccessfully in use today (spoiler: it does not demoralize, it radicalizes). I think your idea if I follow correctly that Israel's campaign in Gaza is to demoralize the Gazans (vs kick back, Hammas, get the hostages back, etc.) but at the same time that it's irrational for them to do it because of what you said re radicalization?

Actually no, because the IDF isn’t carrying out an aerial bombing campaign. Aerial bombing campaigns are the ones that have been used in attempts to demoralize an enemy, but often instead radicalize them, e.g. Battle of Britain.

The IDF is occupying the strip, much more akin to the occupation of nations on the Eastern front, or Japan among the islands of SEA and Oceania, if we’re continuing comparisons to WW2. Those occupations were about resources, Lebensraum, and affirming racial superiority.

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