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Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Wait... Lidl has a cloud service now?

Yeah, kind of. Lidl and Kaufland is owned by the Schwarz Group. They have been busy replicating the AWS orgin story. Their cloud is called StackIT. I've worked with them. Still some room to grow but a solid foundation. I like that competition is back on

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the 7,500 they say they're employing...is not true?

Lidl is a grocery store chain, I'm assuming GP was talking about the amount of people actually working on the cloud.

Lidl has 375,000 employees. They have stated they employ 7,500 people in their digital services division.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the 7,500 they say they're employing...is not true?

Lidl is a grocery store chain, I'm assuming GP was talking about the amount of people actually working on the cloud.

Yeah, Lidl and Kaufland are store chains, with 14200 stores combined. 7500 employees is just Schwarz Digits, the digital services division.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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post #5

Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.

Most cloud VMs have network-attached storage working through a billing layer, and its IOPS numbers are pathetic. This makes running your own DB in a cloud VM much less reasonable. Now you can use local NVMe, but you still have to set up your own failover. The original promise of the cloud is "you pay us less than you pay your sysadmins", which is not entirely unreasonable, especially at early stages. Of course runnin…

Nah.. Amazon started with “ephimeral” compute. That was the whole thing why you needed another storage layer

Unlike most VPSes

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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post #16
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Schwarz seems to be obsessed with how Amazon (book seller) created AWS and they are trying to do the same... with 5 people. Also Aleph Alpha + Cohere is a Lidl work as the current CEO of the former led Lidl digital division.

So the 7,500 they say they're employing...is not true?

Schwarz Gruppe includes Schwarz Digits, which include StackIT. 7500 is the number of employees at Digits, which also includes online marketplaces like Kaufland e-commerce, so definitely not all of them work on the sovereign cloud.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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> DNB Director Steven Maijoor announced last October that he intended to “set a good example” and switch to a European cloud, though he acknowledged that it “is not yet as robust or high-quality as the one from the U.S.” > Last year, the Dutch Central Bank (DNB) and the Netherlands Authority for the Financial Markets (AFM) warned that the Dutch financial sector had become too dependent on foreign IT service providers…

Lidl is German, so, not fully national, IMHO

If they cannot provide it nationally, Germany seems a good place to have it, especially as they are both EU.

At the very least a country dependent cloud services from multiple other countries is less dependent on any one of them than a country predominantly dependent on one (and most of Europe is currently dependent on US cloud providers).

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Crazy that a discount grocer can trade blows with big american cloud compute.

LIDL sells everything you need in your life in the middle aisle. Even cloud solutions.

It's going to be hard getting that angle grinder I've never needed when there's a line of CTO's blocking the aisle
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