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Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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Post by a2128 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #107
PurpleRamen wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They redefined AGI to be an economical thing, so they can continue making up their stories. All that talk is really just business, no real science in the room there.

> They redefined AGI to be an economical thing Huh. Source? I mean, typical OpenAI bullshit, but would love to know how they defined it.

Around the end of 2024, it was reported that OpenAI and Microsoft agreed that for the purposes of their exclusivity agreement, AGI will be achieved when their AI system generates $100 billion in profit: https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/26/microsoft-and-openai-have-...

Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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Post by Kenji »

delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #30

It’s insane how they talk about AGI, like it was some scientifically qualifiable thing that is certain to happen any time now. When I have become the javelin Olympic Champion, I will buy a vegan ice cream to everyone with a HN account.

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Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

rapind wrote: post #57
hx8 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the investments make sense if AGI is not less than 10 years away?

Best way to achieve AGI: Redefine AGI.

They already did that, and AI. That's how we got into this mess.

Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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Post by wrs »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #107
PurpleRamen wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They redefined AGI to be an economical thing, so they can continue making up their stories. All that talk is really just business, no real science in the room there.

> They redefined AGI to be an economical thing Huh. Source? I mean, typical OpenAI bullshit, but would love to know how they defined it.

It’s a system that generates $100 billion in profit. [0]

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/26/microsoft-and-openai-have-...

Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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Post by no_wizard »

delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #30

It’s insane how they talk about AGI, like it was some scientifically qualifiable thing that is certain to happen any time now. When I have become the javelin Olympic Champion, I will buy a vegan ice cream to everyone with a HN account.

This is all happening as I predicted. OpenAI is oversold and their aggressive PR campaign has set them up with unrealistic expectations. I raised alot of eyebrow at the Microsoft deal to begin with. It seemed overvalued even if all they were trading was mostly Azure compute

Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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Post by 3form »

karmasimida wrote: post #144
delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #30

It’s insane how they talk about AGI, like it was some scientifically qualifiable thing that is certain to happen any time now. When I have become the javelin Olympic Champion, I will buy a vegan ice cream to everyone with a HN account.

> some scientifically qualifiable thing that is certain to happen any time now. If you present GPT 5.5 to me 2 years ago, I will call it AGI.

... until you actually, like, use it and find out all the limitations it has.

Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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Post by nromiun »

karmasimida wrote: post #144
delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #30

It’s insane how they talk about AGI, like it was some scientifically qualifiable thing that is certain to happen any time now. When I have become the javelin Olympic Champion, I will buy a vegan ice cream to everyone with a HN account.

> some scientifically qualifiable thing that is certain to happen any time now. If you present GPT 5.5 to me 2 years ago, I will call it AGI.

If you present ELIZA to people some will think it is AGI today.

There is a reason so many scams happen with technology. It is too easy to fool people.

Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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Post by ambicapter »

CWwdcdk7h wrote: post #92
delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #30

It’s insane how they talk about AGI, like it was some scientifically qualifiable thing that is certain to happen any time now. When I have become the javelin Olympic Champion, I will buy a vegan ice cream to everyone with a HN account.

It sounds really similar to Uber pitch about how they are going to have monopoly as soon as they replace those pesky drivers with own fleet of self driving cars. That was supposed to be their competitive edge against other taxi apps. In the end they sold ATG at end of 2020 :D

ATH?

Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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Post by antupis »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #49
hx8 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the investments make sense if AGI is not less than 10 years away?

> Do the investments make sense if AGI is not less than 10 years away? They can. If one consolidated the AI industry into a single monopoly, it would probably be profitable. That doesn't mean in its current state it can't succumb to ruionous competition. But the AGI talk seems to be mostly aimed at retail investors and philospher podcasters than institutional capital.

Thing is that distillation is so easy that it would also need large scale regulatory capture to keep smaller competitors out.

Re: Microsoft and OpenAI end their exclusive and revenue-sharing deal

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

a2128 wrote: post #151
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They redefined AGI to be an economical thing Huh. Source? I mean, typical OpenAI bullshit, but would love to know how they defined it.

Around the end of 2024, it was reported that OpenAI and Microsoft agreed that for the purposes of their exclusivity agreement, AGI will be achieved when their AI system generates $100 billion in profit: https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/26/microsoft-and-openai-have-...

> OpenAI and Microsoft agreed that for the purposes of their exclusivity agreement, AGI will be achieved when their AI system generates $100 billion in profit

Wow. Maybe they spelled it out as aggregate gross income :P.

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