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Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by eddieroger »

Noaidi wrote: post #21
eddieroger wrote: post #9

It is so easy to sit on and critique from the sidelines. Steve Jobs had a passion for product, and it showed - he pushed the teams to make things he approved of, and that was the measure. Tim Cook had a passion for growth, and as the article states, Apple's income now rival some GDPs. They're different people with different drives. In fact, Jobs told Cook not to do what he would do, but do the right thing, and to Coo…

> and to Cook that was grow the company. If you do not see this as teh problem with Tim Cook then I have a gold bar to give you. https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/07/tim-cook-gift-to-trump/ I want ethical companies that grow because of good products, not because of market capture and bribes.

I'm not going to argue your wants with you because they are your own. Don't buy Apple products if you don't like the way they operate as a company. I don't particularly care for appeasing the administration, either, but it's not like Cook broke the system, so I'm not going to dance on his retirement over it.

Where can I get my gold bar, please?

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by miltonlost »

eddieroger wrote: post #9

It is so easy to sit on and critique from the sidelines. Steve Jobs had a passion for product, and it showed - he pushed the teams to make things he approved of, and that was the measure. Tim Cook had a passion for growth, and as the article states, Apple's income now rival some GDPs. They're different people with different drives. In fact, Jobs told Cook not to do what he would do, but do the right thing, and to Coo…

You didn’t address any of the criticism towards Cook and the decline of the product under him. All that matters seems to be “did the line go up?”

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by kubik369 »

sgt wrote: post #2

> Your AirPods just connected to the wrong device. Again. > iMessage is taking twenty minutes to sync a message between your laptop and your phone sitting six inches apart. HomeKit forgot the kitchen lightbulb exists, and will remember it again in three hours like nothing happened. I've literally seen nothing of this happen (or to my family all on Apple devices). While I don't doubt they do happen to some unfortunate…

Both can be right, unfortunately. People do not report stuff, but when they do, it tends to get ignored. I have personally stopped reporting feedback to Apple because my tens of bug reports with detailed reproduction steps were simply ignored. This was both on beta and stable releases. One of them was especially egregious — I had an M1 Macbook Air at work and 11.2 update made charging with any dock, USB-C or Thunderbolt, not work, i.e. everything was working, but the laptop was not charging. I had to plug in a separate charger for 3 months until they fixed it in either 11.3 or 11.4. Rolling back did not work because the update updated the controller firmware. There was no mention of this in the release notes.

Apple's "It just works." sometimes gets in the way by obscuring details. Simple example, Airdrop. You share a file, select the person, and it gets stuck displaying sending on the bubble. What is happening? No one knows, because it should "just work". But when it doesn't, you usually have literally no recourse and you are told to wipe your device and try again. From GP's example, the synchronisation. I don't know about iMessage, but synchronising Photos is a nightmare because there is no button to force a sync. You have to connect your phone to power and pray that it will sync. If it doesn't, you have no way to force it. Same thing with AirPods firmware, how do you update it? You don't, it should happen automagically. It didn't? Sucks to suck. You hopefully get the idea by this point :)

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by fzeindl »

sgt wrote: post #2

> Your AirPods just connected to the wrong device. Again. > iMessage is taking twenty minutes to sync a message between your laptop and your phone sitting six inches apart. HomeKit forgot the kitchen lightbulb exists, and will remember it again in three hours like nothing happened. I've literally seen nothing of this happen (or to my family all on Apple devices). While I don't doubt they do happen to some unfortunate…

It's true that there are few obvious bugs, but there are many subtle bugs now, usually outside the main interaction flows. 5 years ago, apple's software felt bugfree, essentially.

examples:

- if I change a note on my iphone and wake up my mac, I need to restart the notes-app before it syncs the change.

- if somebody leaves me a FaceTime video-message, I get an "unread"-badge that doesn't get away after I watch the video. There are multiple ways to get to that video and only one of them clears the "unread" badge.

- if I add a pronounciation field to a contact in my iphone, SIRI stops working and I need to restart my iphone to get it back.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by SecretDreams »

buttocks wrote: post #20

This author misses the point because he is a geek. Ordinary users love Apple and do not care about these issues. Ordinary users throw money at Apple. Apple has some bugs to fix but overall the product is good, and that’s why they keep raking in cash. Saying good riddance to Tim Cook because of the system preference pane, among other trivial things (to most people), is simply misunderstanding business.

Ordinary users love lamp, so to speak.

Reality is the success of current products mostly hedges on the momentum their companies have built over the last decade, rather than the actual innovations of those current products. Guerilla advertising is also used super effectively.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by rglullis »

buttocks wrote: post #20

This author misses the point because he is a geek. Ordinary users love Apple and do not care about these issues. Ordinary users throw money at Apple. Apple has some bugs to fix but overall the product is good, and that’s why they keep raking in cash. Saying good riddance to Tim Cook because of the system preference pane, among other trivial things (to most people), is simply misunderstanding business.

Or maybe you don't understand that for some people there are more important things than "how much money will I make from this?"...

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by namdnay »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #40
eddieroger wrote: post #9

It is so easy to sit on and critique from the sidelines. Steve Jobs had a passion for product, and it showed - he pushed the teams to make things he approved of, and that was the measure. Tim Cook had a passion for growth, and as the article states, Apple's income now rival some GDPs. They're different people with different drives. In fact, Jobs told Cook not to do what he would do, but do the right thing, and to Coo…

> Apple's income now rival some GDPs But so has the rest of FAANG. Did Tim Cook really overperform? Growth compared to 2011: Apple ~8× Microsoft ~13–14× Google ~10× Facebook* ~10–15×

the very fact that we're comparing apple, a (mainly) hardware company, to a bunch of software companies is in itself a measure of incredible success for Apple.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by ap99 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #27
eddieroger wrote: post #9

It is so easy to sit on and critique from the sidelines. Steve Jobs had a passion for product, and it showed - he pushed the teams to make things he approved of, and that was the measure. Tim Cook had a passion for growth, and as the article states, Apple's income now rival some GDPs. They're different people with different drives. In fact, Jobs told Cook not to do what he would do, but do the right thing, and to Coo…

Sounds to me like Tim Cook was the wrong choice from the beginning then? Or should all the people who came to love the company because of great products just adapt to the company shifting the core focus to "basically a country's GDP" and be fine with that? I guess many of the people who share their critiques are people who never really liked where Cook was gonna take Apple (and took) to in the first place.

100% agree.

I want to buy from a company whose goal is to make the best products, not make the most money.

You optimize differently for each.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by eddieroger »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #40
eddieroger wrote: post #9

It is so easy to sit on and critique from the sidelines. Steve Jobs had a passion for product, and it showed - he pushed the teams to make things he approved of, and that was the measure. Tim Cook had a passion for growth, and as the article states, Apple's income now rival some GDPs. They're different people with different drives. In fact, Jobs told Cook not to do what he would do, but do the right thing, and to Coo…

> Apple's income now rival some GDPs But so has the rest of FAANG. Did Tim Cook really overperform? Growth compared to 2011: Apple ~8× Microsoft ~13–14× Google ~10× Facebook* ~10–15×

Is Zuckerberg retiring already? I'd gladly same the same about him then. But this isn't about any of those companies.

Re: Tim Cook Is Leaving. Good

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Post by kwertyoowiyop »

danabramov wrote: post #5

"But here's the thing" Is it really so hard to write your articles by yourself? The blandest tone imaginable, all the usual LLM tells in the sentence structure. You are polluting HN and the broader internet by posting this publicly.

“Here’s the thing” is also a longtime cliche in podcasts, from the before-times when ChatGPT didn’t yet exist.
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