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Re: Plants can sense the sound of rain, a new study finds

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Post by glenstein »

nradov wrote: post #17
glenstein wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why doesn't pain matter? It's almost the canonical example of a valenced state that practically any moral theory is tasked with making sense of on moral terms.

It's just neural impulses. So what. Why should we care? Plants have different but equivalent mechanisms. Moral theory is bullshit. It's just made up.

Plants most definitely do not have different but equivalent mechanisms. They don't have subjectivity. Moral theory is about, among other things, explaining the meaning of moral behavior and language as it manifests in real people, and well-being is just as real as health. At least it is on moral realism which is a perfectly mainstream view in moral philosophy.

Re: Plants can sense the sound of rain, a new study finds

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Post by pazimzadeh »

OutOfHere wrote: post #19
pazimzadeh wrote: post #15

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> fungi, they may have a memory, but they are closer to bacteria than to plants ????? Fungi are closer to animals than plants or bacteria

I mean only from a pain and consciousness pov.

And you’re basing this on what?

Re: Plants can sense the sound of rain, a new study finds

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Post by sanjayjc »

"vibrations can be strong enough to dislodge a seed’s 'statoliths,' which are tiny gravity-sensing organelles within certain cells of a seed."

"Statoliths are denser than a cell’s cytoplasm and can drift and sink through the cell, like a bit of sand in a jar of water. When a statolith finally settles to the bottom, its resting place on the cell’s membrane is a reflection of gravity’s direction and a signal for where a seed’s root or shoot should grow."

Re: Plants can sense the sound of rain, a new study finds

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Post by pazimzadeh »

OutOfHere wrote: post #24
pazimzadeh wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you’re basing this on what?

What do you mean -- are you asserting that fungi are conscious or feel pain?

I’m not asserting anything, I’m asking how you know what you’re claiming

Re: Plants can sense the sound of rain, a new study finds

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Post by therobots927 »

glenstein wrote: post #10

It's awesome, but usual caveats apply that what sense means in the context of plants is something more like automatic biological reflexes, whereas the same language in the context of creatures with subjectivity has connotations that imply consciousness. We're learning everyday that the complexity of plants is spectacular and it only deepens our appreciation for them and rightly so. But it's easy to get lost in langua…

Considering that we don’t even understand how consciousness works, I think it’s an open question. I’m also not sure why it’s so important for some to draw these distinctions.

Re: Plants can sense the sound of rain, a new study finds

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Post by nradov »

OutOfHere wrote: post #20
nradov wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just neural impulses. So what. Why should we care? Plants have different but equivalent mechanisms. Moral theory is bullshit. It's just made up.

You are not making any sense, and literally won't understand if you never got beat-up physically in life, perhaps as a kid, and preferably more than once. One has to experience pain first-hand to empathize with it. You must have lived an extremely sheltered life for this to not happen to you, and so you don't understand. Your nihilism doesn't relate with people. Yes, plants react functionally to damage, but in no way…

You are not making any sense. Perhaps consciousness hasn't been demonstrated in plants because we don't have the correct definition of consciousness or are looking for the wrong things. Why do you have this arbitrary bias towards animals? Perhaps it's time to re-examine your fundamental assumptions.

Re: Plants can sense the sound of rain, a new study finds

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Post by glenstein »

therobots927 wrote: post #26
glenstein wrote: post #10

It's awesome, but usual caveats apply that what sense means in the context of plants is something more like automatic biological reflexes, whereas the same language in the context of creatures with subjectivity has connotations that imply consciousness. We're learning everyday that the complexity of plants is spectacular and it only deepens our appreciation for them and rightly so. But it's easy to get lost in langua…

Considering that we don’t even understand how consciousness works, I think it’s an open question. I’m also not sure why it’s so important for some to draw these distinctions.

Making claims that aren't supported by evidence is bad for all kinds of ordinary reasons I'm sure you know. And this topic in particular generates a lot of those kinds of claims. The same reason you might put a warning sign up in front of a big pot hole.
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