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Framework's new Linux laptop is selling faster than its Windows one

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Re: Framework's new Linux laptop is selling faster than its Windows one

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Post by cromka »

eigenspace wrote: post #16
cromka wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't know the batch sizes to make such statements.

It's at the very least indicative that they are selling more units than they expected to sell, and likely dont have enough allocation of at least some of those chips. Sure, they could have thought it'd only sell a tiny number of units, but if they thought that, they wouldnt have launched the product. Im happy for them

> It's at the very least indicative that they are selling more units than they expected to sell,

Hate to be contrarian here but this is a known marketing trick to make product appear as selling faster than it does to create hype. I'm sure you waited in line to a club/bar for 30 minutes only to realize club/bar was empty?

They are still a for-profit company and I totally expect those batches' shipping times to actually reduce soon. An order placed right now would ship in August and at this point it must be cutting into their earnings because any regular, walk-in type of customer is not gonna wait this long for their laptop.

Re: Framework's new Linux laptop is selling faster than its Windows one

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Post by throwaway270925 »

ktallett wrote: post #18
notepad0x90 wrote: post #4

Is framework aiming for mass market breakthrough? if so, I hope they're planning on the macbook neo. I have no reason to recommend it outside of tech-enthusiast circles over a macbook now, thanks to the neo. But I really don't think they want mass market, it wouldn't be a win for anyone. By design, it's a "repairable" computer, so people who want to repair their own laptop are the main customers. You can't repair mac…

The framework 12 is comparable in cost to a macbook neo, plus can work with a stylus as a tablet. I would say that is huge reason to recommend it. As well as that it can be repaired and upgraded as and when you want which is handy. Likewise it also can be used indefinitely theoretically as you can replace broken parts and a computer from 15 years ago is still usable today, so I am sure computers from today can still…

> The framework 12 is comparable in cost to a macbook neo

No it isnt, not by a long shot! Only if you buy the basic entry level version (DIY) without any RAM, storage, ports or a charger. At which point we arent remotely talking about the same thing anymore!

Re: Framework's new Linux laptop is selling faster than its Windows one

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Post by eigenspace »

cromka wrote: post #21
eigenspace wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's at the very least indicative that they are selling more units than they expected to sell, and likely dont have enough allocation of at least some of those chips. Sure, they could have thought it'd only sell a tiny number of units, but if they thought that, they wouldnt have launched the product. Im happy for them

> It's at the very least indicative that they are selling more units than they expected to sell, Hate to be contrarian here but this is a known marketing trick to make product appear as selling faster than it does to create hype. I'm sure you waited in line to a club/bar for 30 minutes only to realize club/bar was empty? They are still a for-profit company and I totally expect those batches' shipping times to actuall…

This seems unnecessarily cynical. Telling your customers

> 'No, we won't sell you our most expensive new laptop config at all, and if you want the other cheaper configs, you will need to wait at a minimum until August'

is not a very effective marketing stunt.

Besides, Framework has a very consistent history at this point of quite frank, open communication. If they didn't have this history, I might lend more credence to your point of view, but my experience is that these are people that are pretty allergic to that sort of bullshit, and will just say what they mean.

I really can't imagine why they'd try and undermine that reputation just to counterproductively tell people they can't buy a laptop from them.

Re: Framework's new Linux laptop is selling faster than its Windows one

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Post by ktallett »

throwaway270925 wrote: post #22
ktallett wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The framework 12 is comparable in cost to a macbook neo, plus can work with a stylus as a tablet. I would say that is huge reason to recommend it. As well as that it can be repaired and upgraded as and when you want which is handy. Likewise it also can be used indefinitely theoretically as you can replace broken parts and a computer from 15 years ago is still usable today, so I am sure computers from today can still…

> The framework 12 is comparable in cost to a macbook neo No it isnt, not by a long shot! Only if you buy the basic entry level version (DIY) without any RAM, storage, ports or a charger. At which point we arent remotely talking about the same thing anymore!

It's approx £80 to £100 more for the same ram and SSD configuration as a £600 MacBook neo (No charger given in many countries as most people have a usb c charger). That's comparable. It's not a huge difference and the feature set is far greater for the framework.

(£545 with the device with ports, £80 for the ram £50 for the SSD.)

Re: Framework's new Linux laptop is selling faster than its Windows one

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Post by [deleted] »

ktallett wrote: post #24
throwaway270925 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The framework 12 is comparable in cost to a macbook neo No it isnt, not by a long shot! Only if you buy the basic entry level version (DIY) without any RAM, storage, ports or a charger. At which point we arent remotely talking about the same thing anymore!

It's approx £80 to £100 more for the same ram and SSD configuration as a £600 MacBook neo (No charger given in many countries as most people have a usb c charger). That's comparable. It's not a huge difference and the feature set is far greater for the framework. (£545 with the device with ports, £80 for the ram £50 for the SSD.)

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Re: Framework's new Linux laptop is selling faster than its Windows one

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Post by hu3 »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #4

Is framework aiming for mass market breakthrough? if so, I hope they're planning on the macbook neo. I have no reason to recommend it outside of tech-enthusiast circles over a macbook now, thanks to the neo. But I really don't think they want mass market, it wouldn't be a win for anyone. By design, it's a "repairable" computer, so people who want to repair their own laptop are the main customers. You can't repair mac…

And he forced to use Tahoe over Linux? Zero chance.

Re: Framework's new Linux laptop is selling faster than its Windows one

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Post by cromka »

eigenspace wrote: post #23
cromka wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's at the very least indicative that they are selling more units than they expected to sell, Hate to be contrarian here but this is a known marketing trick to make product appear as selling faster than it does to create hype. I'm sure you waited in line to a club/bar for 30 minutes only to realize club/bar was empty? They are still a for-profit company and I totally expect those batches' shipping times to actuall…

This seems unnecessarily cynical. Telling your customers > 'No, we won't sell you our most expensive new laptop config at all, and if you want the other cheaper configs, you will need to wait at a minimum until August' is not a very effective marketing stunt. Besides, Framework has a very consistent history at this point of quite frank, open communication. If they didn't have this history, I might lend more credence…

I am not saying you're wrong, I am just saying we can't draw serious conclusions based on pure speculation. They absolutely need to built their brand first and foremost to scale up and hyping up the brand by "selling out the stock on first day" is a legitimate way to do so. They can't stand clear of regular, high-school marketing for too long. Again, this is a for-profit endeavor with serious investors expecting a return.

Re: Framework's new Linux laptop is selling faster than its Windows one

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Post by reisse »

orphea wrote: post #13
dankwizard wrote: post #6

This one isn't rocket science. Framework isn't as mass market as your typical laptop competitors. You can make an assumption a purchaser of framework is tech minded / informed shopper. You can also see their prebuilt option is Windows only. When going DIY, adding Windows is between $225 and $339 depending on edition. Most informed shoppers and techheads also know you can go to key selling websites and get completely…

get completely legal and working Windows keys for You cannot. The fact that a $20 key may activate Windows doesn't make the installation legal, Windows is still pirated. And you can pirate it $20 cheaper.

It depends on your legal framework. It might be seller's problem, not yours, and 20$ is a price for shifting responsibility.

Re: Framework's new Linux laptop is selling faster than its Windows one

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Post by throwaway270925 »

ktallett wrote: post #24
throwaway270925 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The framework 12 is comparable in cost to a macbook neo No it isnt, not by a long shot! Only if you buy the basic entry level version (DIY) without any RAM, storage, ports or a charger. At which point we arent remotely talking about the same thing anymore!

It's approx £80 to £100 more for the same ram and SSD configuration as a £600 MacBook neo (No charger given in many countries as most people have a usb c charger). That's comparable. It's not a huge difference and the feature set is far greater for the framework. (£545 with the device with ports, £80 for the ram £50 for the SSD.)

Are these edu prices? Or is frameworks EU pricing just nuts?

Here a comparable configuration to the neo is close to 800€!

Re: Framework's new Linux laptop is selling faster than its Windows one

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Post by notepad0x90 »

pjmlp wrote: post #11
notepad0x90 wrote: post #4

Is framework aiming for mass market breakthrough? if so, I hope they're planning on the macbook neo. I have no reason to recommend it outside of tech-enthusiast circles over a macbook now, thanks to the neo. But I really don't think they want mass market, it wouldn't be a win for anyone. By design, it's a "repairable" computer, so people who want to repair their own laptop are the main customers. You can't repair mac…

I have zero reasons to recomend paying 800 euros for a mobile SOC with 8 GB, and the Apple experience is pretty much hit and miss, it certainly isn't worthwhile the extra cost when one needs to top it up with Apple Care, and get lemons like buterfly keyboard, Tahoe and many other issues that get had waved because "It is Apple!". Then you get the nerds that get Apple because "I know this, it is UNIX!", when in reality…

mass market consumers don't even know what "SOC" is, and would pretty much disagree with the rest of your sentiment. I think I was clear on the context being for them, not tech enthusiasts like yourself.
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