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It doesn't matter if you use a car or go there walking. If your goal is cave exploration, the tools are irrelevant.
But in this specific case AI actually explored the cave for you. Comparing it to car getting you to the cave is really bad comparison.
Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem
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Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem
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It is in the same way that educated guessing is.
Care to actually refute? Interesting that even an LLM would give an attempt at it, but apparently those who only bother to hit the downvote button aren't even meeting that level of "intelligence".
> It is in the same way that educated guessing is.
I guess (heh) it depends on your definition of 'educated guessing'? Looking at the problem, considering a solution, discarding it, trying another and testing, iteratively, is how most people would approach any tricky problem.
Brute force is substantially different. It would be saying that, other than maybe setting some basic bounds and heuristics, I'm going to try literally everything and test each. That's not at all what the LLM did here.
Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem
#573Humans and very often the machines we create solve problems additively. Meaning we build on top of existing foundations and we can get stuck in a way of thinking as a result of this because people are loathe to reinvent the wheel. So, I don’t think it’s surprising to take a naïve LLM and find out that because of the way it’s trained that it came up with something that many experts in the field didn’t try. I think LLM…
may i ask what number theory breakthrough you refer to? i suspect computing in general or perhaps something more specific?
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Every model is able to solve each problem, given the right prompt. (Worst case, the prompt contains the solution.)
Interesting... Exhaustive brute force prompting might expose previously unknown capabilities in existing models. Seems like a whole can of worms.
It "exhaustive brute forcing" approach does not need an LLM in the loop. Just brute force the possible outputs instead. They will contain all the most beautiful novels you can imagine!
Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem
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Looking around, the evidence doesn't seem to support this conclusion. 50% of food thrown away, yet people go hungry. Every privatized industry diminishes in quality and reach. Selects and optimizes for profit rather than for human need.
We throw away food because we are so good at making it cheaply that the problem has shifted to distribution costs and fair wages. Also high productivity economies need to deal effectively with the Baumol effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect ). If they don't then even people in the USA can be food poor despite huge GDP per capita.
> distribution costs and fair wages
Yes, precisely, because capitalism can't select for things that are useful for people, but unprofitable for capital owners.
Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem
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Perhaps learning how to get AI to solve your problems is the most important lesson to learn now? The rest seems like the current equivalent of learning cursive.
No, learning math is still a valuable skill. You still learned how addition worked growing up even though calculators existed, right? You learned to read even though screen readers exist?
Imo you learn to add not for the skill of adding, but for the skill of understanding and applying algorithms. Adding is just a simple example.
Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem
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You open with an insult directed at the HN community. Then you call me names. Then you lecture me about HN guidelines. Then you post this. Flagging because this kind of language has no place on HN.
Oh if your so but hurt by this go ahead and call me names if you want. Hypocrite is not really that much of an insult and it's true. You called someone absurd as well. > Then you lecture me about HN guidelines. Not a lecture. An example of how it's a well known issue. I'm obviously not a rule follower myself; and your content is not really fit for HN either. Once you flag the entire conversation is over. I don't real…
You're incredibly rude but at the same time.... 100% right. On first reading it was quite off-putting, but your conclusions are solid. Emotions take over rationality, and people - just like thinking models - reverse-engineer a logical-sounding explanation for their actions, they don't "expose" their internal chain of thought.
Maybe the models are closer to us than we're comfortable to admit.
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how can you ask this question with on a post titled "Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem"???? are you looking for some randomised control trial? omg
God, do people not read my posts? I wrote this: "It also exposes their ACTUAL intelligence which is to say most of HN is not too smart." These types of people need citations for the time of day. They don't know how to debate or discuss in abstract terms. Reality freezes over if no scientific papers exist on the topic.
> These types of people need citations for the time of day. They don't know how to debate or discuss in abstract terms. Reality freezes over if no scientific papers exist on the topic.
Oh man you have captured the exact emotion I had. These people need randomised control trials to prove any inane thing lmaoo. Reddit brained I tell you
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ChatGPT flattened the difference between top .0001 percentile mathematician and an amateur. This is the definition of making intelligence more available. You are exaggerating the situation by essentially claiming since some people can’t afford 200 dollars this means ChatGPT is not democratising intelligence. It’s a bit strange to claim this because according to you it only becomes affordable when maximal number of pe…
> ChatGPT flattened the difference between top .0001 percentile mathematician and an amateur It flattened the difference between a top epsilon percentile mathematician and an amateur with money . It didn't flatten the difference between an amateur with a little money and an amateur with a lot of money. It widened it. That's the part I'm scared about. You are shrugging this off because it currently isn't that expensiv…
What you are saying is similar to saying "computers and internet don't democratise intelligence and access to information because some supercomputers exist". Its pedantic and frankly childish.
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This is the most pedantic argument ever. "All men are created equal" is obviously not literally saying all humans are 100% equal. Just like how "ChatGPT equalizes intelligence" is not saying ChatGPT equalizes the intelligence of all humans to a level of 100%. I'm not going to spell out what I meant by: "ChatGPT equalizes intelligence". You can likely figure it out for yourself, because the problem doesn't have anythi…
It is not “absurdist” to call out a baseless claim that doesn’t take into account over half of humanity, a percentage that will grow even further once investor money inevitably runs out. If your response to that is to wave away more than 4 billion people, then you’re not even trying to look like you care about reality, you’re just trying to make yourself feel better with some made-up nonsense. You seem to be under th…
> It is not “absurdist” to call out a baseless claim that doesn’t take into account over half of humanity, a percentage that will grow even further once investor money inevitably runs out.
I love the confidence that comes from this claim. You can run open models in your laptop today compare to the best models from 2 years ago. But sure spread your FUd about investor money running out