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The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Post by varispeed »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #3

Harrowing. For those who don't know, the Uprising was a planned resistance action to expel the Nazis from Warsaw. Supposedly it was planned in collaboration with the Russians. But the Russian army stood down while the resistance fought alone for two months. This allowed the Germans to regroup, fight back, and eventually to destroy the city, and most of the resistance itself.

Russians started the war together with Germans. The idea that they could "help" is Western propaganda that tries to whitewash helping Soviet Union.

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Post by mr_toad »

consumer451 wrote: post #29
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #3

Harrowing. For those who don't know, the Uprising was a planned resistance action to expel the Nazis from Warsaw. Supposedly it was planned in collaboration with the Russians. But the Russian army stood down while the resistance fought alone for two months. This allowed the Germans to regroup, fight back, and eventually to destroy the city, and most of the resistance itself.

For more context, WWII was started as a partnership between Hitler and Stalin to partition Poland. [0] Spreading this knowledge is now illegal in Putin's Russia. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Against_Rehabilitation_of_...

It would be naive to think that either ruler intended to honour this agreement in the long run. Both sides were probably gambling on when, not if, the agreement would be broken.

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Post by billypilgrim »

varispeed wrote: post #40

Don't forget that Germans were able to quickly find people they wanted to exterminate by going through municipal and church records. Today it will be much easier thanks to push for Digital ID. Choose demographic and the dashboard will show where everyone is and their connections.

Ten years ago multiple tech giants openly stated they would not help the Trump administration build a Muslim registry [1]. Since then, several of them have bowed the knee and donated to his second inauguration. I’m from Germany, and keep wondering how much more damage the NSDAP could have done if they had access to the data these companies now have on everybody. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/16/13990234/google-muslim-r...

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Post by TheAlchemist »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #3

Harrowing. For those who don't know, the Uprising was a planned resistance action to expel the Nazis from Warsaw. Supposedly it was planned in collaboration with the Russians. But the Russian army stood down while the resistance fought alone for two months. This allowed the Germans to regroup, fight back, and eventually to destroy the city, and most of the resistance itself.

That's not accurate - the uprising was not planned in collaboration with the Russians.

The whole point of the uprising was to liberate Warsaw before the Russians get in, as everybody knew that Russians are not liberating Poland - they are looking to occupy the country, just as Germany did. If the Uprising was successfull, it would give a great credit and negotiating card to the Polish government.

Unfortunately, Russians knew that too - that's exactly why they stopped their advance and watched the city being razed to the ground. Also unfortunately, they were right and ended up occupying Poland for the next 45 years.

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Post by consumer451 »

mr_toad wrote: post #42
consumer451 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For more context, WWII was started as a partnership between Hitler and Stalin to partition Poland. [0] Spreading this knowledge is now illegal in Putin's Russia. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Against_Rehabilitation_of_...

It would be naive to think that either ruler intended to honour this agreement in the long run. Both sides were probably gambling on when, not if, the agreement would be broken.

Sure, that's debatable supposition. I would think that it's likely correct.

What is fact is that Hitler and Stalin were military allies to start WWII. This is documented history.

Would you agree with my latter statement?

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Post by nicbou »

varispeed wrote: post #40

Don't forget that Germans were able to quickly find people they wanted to exterminate by going through municipal and church records. Today it will be much easier thanks to push for Digital ID. Choose demographic and the dashboard will show where everyone is and their connections.

Germany already has religion logged in the Melderegister

Re: The 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in Color

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Post by stared »

Keyframe wrote: post #4

These two in particular: https://www.barwypowstania.pl/photos/22 https://www.barwypowstania.pl/photos/51 and the world is stupid enough to repeat the endless cycle of violence.

Well, there is "never again" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_again).

It is up to us to decide if "never again" is a universal rule or "oh, but this time it is different".

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