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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by TingPing »

mapleleaf1921 wrote: post #45
georgeburdell wrote: post #37

I really hope this project continues to gain momentum. Apple Hardware + Linux is the least fscked OS running on the best hardware. MacOS continues to be a tire fire with endless bugs and churn between versions.

I've run all 3 major OSes before. MacOS by far has the least bugs and kinda just works. My variosu Linux adventures have always resulted in doing random patches for audio or screen incompatibility. My windows days were plagued with battery issues. I feel like most Linux ricers wishs for a MacOS-like experience, except with more customisation. (Which is entirely possible now with the ricing on Mac)

In my personal experience macOS is fine but updates are often buggy or regress performance. Linux has just been the more polished option. Plus it just has a nicer desktop and apps.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by jojomodding »

bishopp92 wrote: post #54

Genuine question: can't LLMs be used to accelerate this project?

Nothing is stopping you from using LLMs when contributing to their project (I think). One reason might simply be that they would rather spend the (very sparse) donation money on anything else but tokens.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

#63

Post by geodel »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #36
AussieWog93 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, knowing what I know about marcan, the decision was probably the result of an overwhelming/strong emotional reaction. Not to just shit all over him or anything, but it really sucks to see someone who is genuinely top-ten-on-earth when it comes to "real hacking" struggle so much with socialisation and mental health.

It is weird to blame the victim for reacting to being harassed by a mob. That is a normal thing to have a reaction to. Perhaps rather than blaming people's social skills and mental health, we should instead blame the culture that normalises harassing people on the internet, even to the point of suicide (as happened in byuu's case). You are basically advocating that it is better for individuals to change to accept a s…

This marcan person had problem with Go, he had problem with Apple fans, he had problems with linux committers, so much he left internet or something. To say everyone but marcan was wrong is just a kind of fanboyism and it hardly helps marcan.

This person liked to dish out as much as next person but display extreme reaction when served.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

#64

Post by rowanG077 »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #36
AussieWog93 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, knowing what I know about marcan, the decision was probably the result of an overwhelming/strong emotional reaction. Not to just shit all over him or anything, but it really sucks to see someone who is genuinely top-ten-on-earth when it comes to "real hacking" struggle so much with socialisation and mental health.

It is weird to blame the victim for reacting to being harassed by a mob. That is a normal thing to have a reaction to. Perhaps rather than blaming people's social skills and mental health, we should instead blame the culture that normalises harassing people on the internet, even to the point of suicide (as happened in byuu's case). You are basically advocating that it is better for individuals to change to accept a s…

This is not a dichotomy. It's not healthy to take random online comments to heart so much. It's also bad to make such ridiculous comments. Both can be true at the same time.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by robmccoll »

internet2000 wrote: post #47
jwr wrote: post #4

When I think about it, I don't understand why Apple wouldn't want to help this effort and just provide all the documentation. All the classic reasons ("competitive advantage", "secrets", etc) do not hold water in this day and age.

> Focus is about saying no to 100 good ideas so you can pursue one great idea. Important context to understand why.

If they think macOS is one great idea, that's a terrible misjudgment.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by mrj »

saadn92 wrote: post #58
jwr wrote: post #4

When I think about it, I don't understand why Apple wouldn't want to help this effort and just provide all the documentation. All the classic reasons ("competitive advantage", "secrets", etc) do not hold water in this day and age.

The real answer is probably simpler than anyone here is making it. Apple hardware margins are healthy enough that selling macbooks to linux users is pure profit, so no services lock-in needed. However, the moment they officially acknowledge Linux support, then it becomes a support surface. Every kernel panic becomes a genius bar visit. Every driver bug becomes a tweet at @AppleSupport. It's the value of plausible den…

They don't have to support it, just document the system or release their own kernel code. They don't even have to mention Linux.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

#68

Post by mrj »

basisword wrote: post #19
jwr wrote: post #4

When I think about it, I don't understand why Apple wouldn't want to help this effort and just provide all the documentation. All the classic reasons ("competitive advantage", "secrets", etc) do not hold water in this day and age.

I imagine the real reason is that if they change things they now have an obligation to promptly share technical docs and if they're slow people will whine and bitch online about them. Not worth it. They have zero to gain (and I say this as someone who would love to dual boot Linux on my M4).

Plenty are whining now and that doesn't seem to bother them. I mean, this is one of the largest companies in the world. This is the company that once told people they were holding the phone wrong. I can't see them being particularly more bothered by people complaining in a slightly different way.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

#69

Post by OsrsNeedsf2P »

mapleleaf1921 wrote: post #45
georgeburdell wrote: post #37

I really hope this project continues to gain momentum. Apple Hardware + Linux is the least fscked OS running on the best hardware. MacOS continues to be a tire fire with endless bugs and churn between versions.

I've run all 3 major OSes before. MacOS by far has the least bugs and kinda just works. My variosu Linux adventures have always resulted in doing random patches for audio or screen incompatibility. My windows days were plagued with battery issues. I feel like most Linux ricers wishs for a MacOS-like experience, except with more customisation. (Which is entirely possible now with the ricing on Mac)

Ricing is big, but I also like the hackability and development friendly environment of Linux that isn't there on Macbooks (been running MacOS as a secondary for ~5yrs now)

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by u_fucking_dork »

robmccoll wrote: post #65
internet2000 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Focus is about saying no to 100 good ideas so you can pursue one great idea. Important context to understand why.

If they think macOS is one great idea, that's a terrible misjudgment.

And yet it’s incredibly popular and successful. Windows is also ass, and the year of the Linux desktop is perpetually a few years away.
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