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Let's hope so, although, as others say, it should be more independent from foreign services if it is to be sold as fully EU-based.
didn't see any claims to being EU-based, just "built in Europe"
Such initiatives are very much welcome and I am happy to to start using them. However, my issue is that it appears that many of these models are simply proxied from the specific cloud provider with fees attached which does not bring a lot of value given the 5% surcharge. Since all frontier models are owned by US companies, I think better alternative is to focus on open source models only that run on EU data centers o…
all frontier models are not owned by US.
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And? The point is that it's routed to the same model. Is the middleman's nationality that important, especially when you already accept the existence of a middleman?
If you're an EU business it's easier to do B2B with other EU businesses, just like it's easier for US businesses to do B2B with other US businesses. Not sure this is strange or out of the ordinary, I think it works the same in most places in the world today.
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It's not a German website, so it doesn't need an imprint
German websites are not the only ones where having an imprint is required, if the website is run by a legal business. AFAIK, it's the same in France (called "mentions légales" apparently), Austria, Switzerland and probably some more too. Not sure why you'd sound so confident and not qualifying it somehow when it seems you don't actually know what you're talking about, and it's so easy to lookup before spewing wrong i…
This website doesn't even comply with general basic standards for imprint and responsible persons and firms behind it. So if i proxy this misbehaviour to the rest of the whole: european answer-claim ... and the nameservers are on cloudflare. goodbye.
Out of curiosity, what are "general basic standards for imprint and responsible persons and firms behind it" ?
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But OpenRouter also costs 5.5%: https://openrouter.ai/pricing
And? The point is that it's routed to the same model. Is the middleman's nationality that important, especially when you already accept the existence of a middleman?
No, it's not. You're absolutely right on that.
It's just someone you don't know who actually runs it due to no proper imprint promoting their business over someone else who you also don't know who actually runs it. So you send all your valuable business data to unknown guy A instead of unknown guy B. Oh, and also, in both cases you couldn't even sign a proper data subprocessing agreement with both guys. You can't sign it with guy A, who doesn't care, and you also can't sign it with guy B who says he's from Europe, does not even bother to provide an address to prove that, and obviously does not understand the GDPR.
Net souvereignty gain is zero by switching the middle man. In fact I'd say using such a "European" router service is actually worse than making business directly with, let's say, AWS, OpenAI or Anthropic where you'd at least know where you're buying from.
Worth mentioning that Huggingface already offers a similar service. And they are also European:
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If you're an EU business it's easier to do B2B with other EU businesses, just like it's easier for US businesses to do B2B with other US businesses. Not sure this is strange or out of the ordinary, I think it works the same in most places in the world today.
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Edit: Somehow, the comment got deleted although I replied to it? It originally implied I wouldn't be able to explain why it's easier, so I wrote the above to explain.
Great to see this! Worth mentioning that Huggingface already offers a similar service. And they are also European: https://huggingface.co/docs/inference-providers/index https://huggingface.co/inference/models
Great to see this! Worth mentioning that Huggingface already offers a similar service. And they are also European: https://huggingface.co/docs/inference-providers/index https://huggingface.co/inference/models
Nice, but I could't find pay-as-you-go plan