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Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem

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Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem

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Mine took 20min. Pro. https://chatgpt.com/share/69ed83b1-3704-8322-bcf2-322aa85d7a... But I wish I was math smart to know if it worked or not.

Ask it to formalize it in Lean.

That's great if it works. But it's way harder to produce a formal proof. So my expectation is that this will fail for most difficult problems, even when the non-formal proof is correct.

Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem

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My big question with all these announcements is: How many other people were using the AI on problems like this, and, failing? Given the excitement around AI at the moment I think the answer is: a lot. Then my second question is how much VC money did all those tokens cost .

I've tried my hand at a few of the Erdos problems and came up short, you didn't hear about them. But if a Mathematician at Harvard solved on, you would probably still hear about it a bit. Just the possibility that a pro subscription for 80 minutes solved an Erdos problem is astounding. Maybe we get some researchers to get a grant and burn a couple data centers worth of tokens for a day/week/month and see what it come…

The question is how many people tried to solve this Erdos problem with AI and how many total minutes have been spent on it.

Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem

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At this point we should make a GitHub repo with a huge list of unsolved “dry lab” problems and spin up a harness to try and solve them all every new release.

That's literally what the Erdős problems are. This post is about one of them being solved.

Except that Erdős problems are solved all the time, so many of them are already solved. Quite sure the last time I saw an article about an LLM solving an Erdős problem someone even tracked down a solution published by Erdős himself.

Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem

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I wonder if the rationalizations people come up with for why this isn't real intelligence will be as creative as ChatGPTs solution.

Proving a negative is a pretty high bar. You also have the problem of defining "real intelligence", which I suspect you can't.

Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem

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Now do P vs NP. If/when these things solve our hardest problems, that's going to lead to some very uncomfortable conversations and realizations.

I feel like a year ago I would have said impossible. Now, I am not so sure anymore. Although, if I wrote the prompt and the correct result would be presented to me I wouldn't even know. Would still need a mathematician to verify it.

Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem

#168
Question for those who believe LLMs aren't intelligent and are merely statistical word predictors: how do you reconcile such achievements with that point of view?

(To be clear: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. I sometimes feel the same too. I'm just curious how others reconcile these.)

Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem

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I don't see where it says Price was an undergraduate/graduate in math.

I don't see where it doesn't say he is, I feel its implied. Another source, proves me right? https://www.newscientist.com/article/2511954-amateur-mathema... https://archive.is/oQvO4

It's implied by "no advanced mathematics training?"

The article you linked (thanks for the unpaywalled link, by the way) describes him only as an amateur mathematician, but describes Barreto as a math student. If they were both math students, I feel it would say so?

Or perhaps you're arguing it's implicit in him having solved the problem? If so, you're just assuming your conclusion. "AI didn't prove it by itself; Price was a mathematician. Well, he must have been a mathematician to be able to prove it!"

Re: Amateur armed with ChatGPT solves an Erdős problem

#170

It seems like alot of scientific advancements occurred by someone applying technique X from one field to problem Y in another. I feel like LLMs are much better at making these types of connections than humans because they 1) know about many more theories/approaches than a single human can 2) don't need to worry about looking silly in front of their peers.

> It seems like alot of scientific advancements occurred by someone applying technique X from one field to problem Y in another.

Yeah, you should look into the Langlands project sometime

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